Yeah, sounds like nip & tuck with a slightly magnetized razor blade.
M

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On 6/3/2014 2:04 AM, Randy A. Riddle wrote:
> Tom --
>
> Is the "warble" directly because of "nip and tuck" or do you think it's
> exacerbated by the use of digital tools?
>
> Were these digital tools commonly available around '84?
>
> I'm thinking the best description in the discography I could use might be
> "artifacts from noise reduction processing".  Some releases are worse than
> others - this is one of the more annoying examples.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> It sounds like a combination of two bad practices -- overuse of digital
>> "tools" which cause artifacts, and also bad nip and tuck splicing to remove
>> bad ticks. I doubt that's a direct transfer to master of the disk. I bet
>> the disk was dubbed to tape at some pre-digital time, the old nip and tuck
>> method was employed, and then when it was time to remaster for CD, someone
>> decided to over-use the newest "tools." The company that bought Goldin's
>> retail operation, Radio Spirits, is notorious for terrible digital
>> processing. The only people I know who consistently make good audio from
>> OTR transcriptions are Art Shifrin in Queens and a guy last name Ellis who
>> sells MP3 and WAV downloads out of Virginia.
>>
>> Speaking of Vic Damone, here's a dub of scatchy Mercury 78 promoting
>> Damone's first 78 album:
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55748706/Mercury_Promo%
>> 20-%20Virgil_Trucks.mp3
>> some context: Jackie Smith was Mercury's pop promotions person out of
>> Chicago. She ended up being a pioneering businesswoman in the midwest.
>> Virgil "Fireball" Trucks pitched for the Detroit Tigers and later for the
>> Washington Senators. He and Smith must have worked together during WWII.
>> "Merc" was a smiley-faced cartoon "trademark" for the label, briefly
>> replacing the stern-faced Mercury romanesque messenger head. It's clear
>> that a record company wanting to take itself seriously would do away with
>> "Merc" in its promotions, as Irving Green & Co quickly did. The other side
>> of the 78 is a Vic Damone side from that album. I'm not sure if the record
>> was meant to be played in stores or on-air. I didn't use anything to clean
>> up the sound, so it's noisy. If someone wants to play with digi-tools on
>> it, ping me offlist and I'll send you WAV.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy A. Riddle" <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 6:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Odd warble
>>
>>
>>
>>   Here's a sample that includes some "warbles".  It's a 14 mb .wav file that
>>> was ripped directly from the cd "Pop Singers on the Air!".
>>>
>>> The cd was issued in 1984, so this would have been some kind of technology
>>> available during that time.  My guess is that it was some kind of hardware
>>> box that did click removal that was adjustable - in the sample, you hear
>>> the "warble" in addition to some broader surface noise on the original
>>> transcription.  Again, you can hear the same "warbles" on both the lp and
>>> cd versions of some of the Radiola releases, so it's in the master tape
>>> and
>>> not an artifact of the media.
>>>
>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54210054/warble-sample-radiola.wav
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Paul Stamler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   On 6/2/2014 8:03 PM, Ellis Burman wrote:
>>>>   Hi Randy.  Can you make short mp3 of just that section?  Maybe 10
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> or so?  Then you could use a higher bit rate, and hopefully preserve it
>>>>> better.  If you make the section short enough, you can even send it as
>>>>> an
>>>>> uncompressed WAV.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Or a .flac file.
>>>>
>>>> Peace,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>