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Re: bf:Title Was: [BIBFRAME] BibFrame and Linked Data: Identifiers

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"Young,Jeff (OR)" <[log in to unmask]>

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Bibliographic Framework Transition Initiative Forum <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:49:26 +0000

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The specialized need to treat strings as things has precedent in SKOS-XL

http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/skos-xl.html

It's a heavyweight mechanism compared to SKOS (Core), but it does allow the string to be described as such. Some example use cases would be to attach pronunciations or transliterations.

Jeff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bibliographic Framework Transition Initiative Forum
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:29 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [BIBFRAME] bf:Title Was: [BIBFRAME] BibFrame and Linked Data:
> Identifiers
> 
> Having now for the first time taken a close look at bf:Title, I'm a bit
> taken aback. It appears to be a somewhat mechanical rendition of MARC
> 245 into some kind of RDF. I agree entirely with Karen Coyle about the
> need for a discussion about indirection generally, but even on the
> assumption that titles are to become entities in their own right (and
> addressed as such), bf:Title seems to me to need much pruning and
> improvement. I've included some specifics below, and would much
> appreciate any response from the Bibframe maintainers.
> 
> 1) http://bibframe.org/vocab/titleValue.html: "Title being addressed."
> 
> What is the purpose of this specialized property in the face of the
> bf:label that is available to all bf:Resources? What would cause
> someone to use it? Is this just MARC 2045$a in a new format?
> 
> 2) http://bibframe.org/vocab/titleQualifier.html: "Qualifier of title
> information to make it unique."
> 
> Working for the uniqueness of labels goes very much against the
> practice of Linked Data. The Title entity is already possessed of an
> identifier. If anything more is needed to ensure uniqueness, isn't
> something badly wrong with the identifier?
> 
> 3) http://bibframe.org/vocab/partNumber.html and
> http://bibframe.org/vocab/partTitle.html
> 
> Is there any purpose to this distinction or is this just a case of MARC
> 245$n and $p being mechanically preserved? In fact these two properties
> have the same range.
> 
> 4) http://bibframe.org/vocab/formDesignation.html: "Class or genre to
> which a Work or Instance belongs."
> and
> http://bibframe.org/vocab/titleAttribute.html: "Other distinguishing
> characteristic of a work, such as version, etc.."
> 
> These seem very strange to me. In what way are these properties of a
> title at all? Is this just a mechanical transfer from MARC 245$k and
> $s? This seems to be information that should be recorded on the Work or
> Instance.
> 
> There are some other oddities to me in bf:Title, and it's not at all
> clear to me that the amount of indirection it requires is healthy in
> itself, but these above are perhaps the most odd and confusing things.
> If we can pare down bf:Title, I suspect it will become more obvious to
> us whether or not a separate title entity is really useful and should
> continue to exist.
> 
> ---
> A. Soroka
> The University of Virginia Library
> 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2014, at 4:38 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > On 7/24/14, 1:27 PM, Denenberg, Ray wrote:
> >> (I don't think we've thought much about providing identifiers for
> titles.)
> > I hope you *have* because they are in your data ;-)
> >
> > bf:workTitle
> <http://bibframe.org/resources/Ahx1405278232/1706459title7> ;
> >
> > <http://bibframe.org/resources/Ahx1405278232/1706459title7>
> >
> >    bf:titleValue "The adventures of Tom Sawyer" ;
> >
> >    a bf:Title .
> >
> >  bf:instanceTitle
> <http://bibframe.org/resources/Ahx1405278232/1706459title33>
> >
> > <http://bibframe.org/resources/Ahx1405278232/1706459title33>
> >
> >    bf:titleValue "The adventures of Tom Sawyer" ;
> >
> >    a bf:Title .
> >
> >
> > Those are from a BF record, converted from MARC.[1] I found them
> rather odd, myself. It makes some sense to give identifiers to work
> titles, although generally the work title alone does not identify a
> work.  But I think that this is actually evidence for a discussion that
> we have not had yet on the massive level of indirection (blank and non-
> blank nodes) in BIBFRAME.
> >
> > kc
> >
> > [1] http://bibframe.org/resources/Ahx1405278232/1706459.rdf
> >
> > --
> > Karen Coyle
> > [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net
> > m: 1-510-435-8234
> > skype: kcoylenet

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