It may be a combination of mis-remembering and mental confusion, but I seem
to remember Stokie doing a particularly egregious swath of cutting in a
recording of Tchaik 5 that I once heard (maybe even own). Can anyone back
me up on this? I suppose that he would have been likely to take such a cut,
even if I imagined this one, given his propensity for arranging and
re-orchestrating whether the work needed it or not.

Not meant as a critique. I am actually a fan of a lot of his legacy.

Peter Hirsch


On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Dear Ben,
>
> Sargent's cut in the finale of the Tchaikovsky Fifth was something often
> done by other conductors of his generation. Mengelberg and Rodzinski's
> recordings also feature such cuts, albeit different ones.
>
> Ciao,
>
> DDR
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 8:27 AM, James Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Good morning, Mark
> >
> > Thank you for the lengthy and informative email.
> >
> > I have only one comment, and it's about Sir Malcolm Sargent and 1.5
> > minutes he cut from the 4th movement of Tchaikovsky's 5th.
> > WHY would anyone do that?!! I don't know if anyone on this list would
> > know the answer, but I really wish he hadn't done that.
> > It's terrible!!
> >
> > Thanks again.
> > Ben Roth
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Jenkins
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:47 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Who owns Everest/Scala records?
> >
> > Let me clarify the division of the Everest catalogue. In September 1996,
> > Madacy Entertainment (the former owner of Countdown Media) purchased the
> > entire Everest classical catalogue (along with all its trademarks, logos,
> > etc., with the exception of the "Bescol" trademark) from Bernie Solomon.
> > Included in this purchase were also a small number of non-classical
> albums,
> > including Patsy Cline recordings (33 tracks), some world music, and some
> of
> > the pop/easy listening albums. The majority of the world
> > music/pop/jazz/etc. albums were sold to Rykodisc at approximately the
> same
> > time (Bernie complained about not getting the last payment for this
> portion
> > of the sale, but that’s another story). ANY entity, and I mean any
> entity
> > (including Essential Media Group) claiming any ownership to any of the
> > classical recordings, therefore, does not have the rights to these
> > recordings (except, unfortunately, in those countries where the PD laws
> > permit it?and there’s not a lot I can do about that, EXCEPT in regards to
> > usage of logos, the Everest name (which we also own), etc. It is our
> hope
> > (and effort) to create new transfers of as many of these recordings as we
> > can, in order to make the best available versions ever, with original
> liner
> > notes, artwork, and as complete data as possible, and using the best
> > available original source material that we have (or can locate). We are
> in
> > the process of going after any of those entities exploiting these
> > recordings without rights (especially in inferior versions?we have the
> > original tapes, for goodness sakes!!). I think, if you listen to any of
> > the Belock masters on a source such as HDtracks, you’ll see that quality
> > and faithfulness to the original presentation are paramount, and we plan
> on
> > supplying all of the Everest/Scala/etc. re-releases in the same manner.
> >
> > In regards to physical manifestations of these, in the US (at this
> point),
> > unfortunately this is limited to Amazon’s Disc-on-Demand (CreateSpace),
> > simply due to inventory cost issues and the number of titles we’re
> talking
> > about. However, the first 60 Belock releases are being gradually issued
> in
> > Japan by King Records on SACD/CD hybrid discs. The first 5 have been
> > released:
> >
> > SDBR-3003 John Antill: Corroboree
> > SDBR-3032 Scriabin: The Poem of Ecstasy
> > SDBR-3037 Berlioz: Symphonie fantastique, Op. 14
> > SDBR-3044 Grofe: The Grand Canyon Suite
> > SDBR-3054 Shostakovich/Prokofiev: Symphony No. 9/Lieutenant Kije Suite,
> > Op. 60
> >
> >
> > I’ve listened to them, and I think they’ve NEVER sounded better, in any
> > form. We don’t have distribution in North America or Europe yet for
> these,
> > but I’m trying to work something out, possibly with someone like Arkiv
> > Music. I’ll let the list know if and when that happens. They probably
> are
> > already available as imports, though I have no independent knowledge of
> > that.
> >
> > We’re also looking at the possibility of re-release on vinyl of some of
> > these (though some were, of course, released through Classic Records, but
> > these transfers we’ve done have improved on those, eliminating some wow
> and
> > flutter issues?we’re using some new laser technology right on the 35mm
> > playback machine in order to create a better transfer). Chad Kassem has
> > inquired about doing some 45rpm releases also, but we haven’t worked out
> a
> > deal, as of yet.
> >
> > Hope this answers your queries, but let me know if you have any others.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Mark Jenkins
> > Countdown Media, a division of BMG Rights Management (US) LLC
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Thomas Stern
> > Sent: August-19-14 2:52 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Who owns Everest/Scala records?
> >
> > The EVEREST and associated labels seem to be available from a multitude
> of
> > sources, in the USA and from Europe.
> > What is the status of those sources?
> > For example, RYKO supposedly bought the TRADITION label, and additional
> > blues and jazz material which they remastered and issued on CD for a
> while
> > - now seems to be discontinued.
> > There are MANY really garbage releases from ESSENTIAL MEDIA GROUP, the
> few
> > I've heard sound like dubs from vinyl and the CD-r releases do NOT have
> ANY
> > liner notes or other identification of source (i.e. original issue label,
> > catalog no, date, personnel, etc.).
> > Has your organization issued any quality CD's from the Everest stable?
> > Where are they sold ??
> > Thanks!
> > Best wishes, Thomas.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James Roth
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:30 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Who owns Everest/Scala records?
> >
> > Wonderful!
> >
> > Thank you.
> > Ben
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Jenkins
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:15 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Who owns Everest/Scala records?
> >
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > That's exactly what we did on the Belock masters, and what we plan to do
> > with the Scala ones.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Mark Jenkins
> > Countdown Media, a division of BMG Rights Management (US) LLC Phone +1
> 905
> > 655 0577 * EFax: +1 905 248 3037
> > Email: [log in to unmask] * www.countdownmedia.com
> > Skype: markjen
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James Roth
> > Sent: August-19-14 12:40 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Who owns Everest/Scala records?
> >
> > Hello Mark
> >
> > Thanks for answering my question.
> >
> > It's just a thought, but what would be the chances of them using the
> > wonderful, original liner notes of Bernard Lebow who founded Scala way
> back
> > when?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Jenkins
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 2:23 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Who owns Everest/Scala records?
> >
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > Scala is also owned by Countdown Media, who owns the Everest label.
> We're
> > in the process of evaluating initial groups of titles for remastering for
> > re-release, just as we've done with the Belock masters recently.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Mark Jenkins
> > Countdown Media, a division of BMG Rights Management (US) LLC
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James Roth
> > Sent: August-18-14 2:07 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [ARSCLIST] Who owns Everest/Scala records?
> >
> > Greetings, ALL
> >
> > Does anyone know who, if anyone, owns the Everest/Scala LPs?
> > I know Omega owns the Everest label from the 60s, but what about the
> > records that were originally Scala [which was founded by Bernard Lebow]?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ben Roth
> >
>
>
>
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