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Re: Columbia tape adoption

From:

Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:10:04 -0400

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Thanks for the correction.

DDR


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Stewart Gooderman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. The first issue of South Pacific on CD
> was in 1988, using the reissued Lp cover. It is noted for two things: it's
> source was the tape made at the time the recording sessions took place, and
> uses a truncated version of "Carefully Taught." The liner notes
> specifically state that this release is unique in that the tapes were used.
> All subsequent releases use the original Lp cover and use the acetates as
> sources. I have every release and can attested to the difference in sound
> on this first release.
>
> DrG
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > It's possible tape was rolled at the sessions. The tapes used for the
> first
> > CD issue were copies from lacquer masters made for Lp mastering. If there
> > were original tape parts, they would have been filed under the matrix
> > number and wound on 10.5in reels (until late 1951, all recording was made
> > in segments corresponding to 78rpm discs. It was because the contracts
> were
> > written in those terms. Victor did the same thing (the "Tinker Toy"
> > masters) at the time. At the time of the first CD issue, the original
> tape
> > parts were not readily searchable in the Sony archives. Without access to
> > original documents or the first CD issue, I am stating an educated guess,
> > so if there is contrary information in the booklet I will stand
> corrected;
> > otherwise, my scenario seems the most plausible.
> >
> > DDR
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Stewart Gooderman <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Wasn't the Original Cast Recording of South Pacific recorded both on
> >> acetates and magnetic tape in April 1949, the tape version being used
> for
> >> the 1st CD release?
> >>
> >> DrG
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is true that Columbia began master recording on 17.5 and 16" lacquer
> >>> discs commencing in 1939. The last Masterworks sessions recorded at
> 78rpm
> >>> were in 1940.
> >>>
> >>> Whoever claims that Columbia began mastering on magnetic tape "by
> >> mid-1947"
> >>> is completely incorrect. There are no seasons for which tape parts
> exist
> >>> prior to late 1949, and backup discs continued to be cut until 1951. My
> >>> assertion is based on extensive personal exploration of surviving
> >> Columbia
> >>> masters and parts. Tape originals did not enter into Lp production
> until
> >>> late 1949. The lp and xlp matrices for Lps were second or third
> >> generation
> >>> copies from disc originals.
> >>>
> >>> DDR
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The question of Columbia Records' adoption of new technologies came up
> >> here
> >>>> recently. By coincidence, I came across a memoir of the development of
> >> LP
> >>>> by
> >>>> Edward Wallerstein. According to this, the company had started
> >> recording to
> >>>> 33rpm 16" vinyl discs in the late 30s, which later helped them to
> create
> >>>> quiet masters for LP. But, additionally, they were early into tape:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Columbia also had an advantage in that we were the first people in
> the
> >>>> U.S.
> >>>> to use tape for master recording. [Adrian] Murphy was one of the first
> >> to
> >>>> see a German Magnetophon tape recorder in newly liberated Luxemburg
> >> after
> >>>> the war. He quickly packed it up and shipped it back to CBS. Not long
> >>>> thereafter both EMI and Ampex came out with machines, and we
> immediately
> >>>> placed an order for both. By mid-1947, we were using them and had
> >>>> discontinued direct disc cutting. The Ampex proved to be the better
> >>>> machine,
> >>>> so we sent the EMI machines back. Of the originally issued LPs about
> 40%
> >>>> were from tape originals."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting essay, though how reliable I'm not sure. (For instance,
> how
> >>>> much
> >>>> mag tape was available in mid-47? I think Mullin was still hording
> >> scraps
> >>>> of
> >>>> BASF at that time.) It has probably appeared elsewhere, but I found it
> >>>> here:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.musicinthemail.com/audiohistoryLP.html via
> >>>> http://wallyheider.com/wordpress/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Carl Pultz
> >>>>
> >>>> Alembic Productions
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> 1006 Langer Way
> >>> Delray Beach, FL 33483
> >>> 212.874.9626
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 1006 Langer Way
> > Delray Beach, FL 33483
> > 212.874.9626
>



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