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Re: CD time limit

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Peter Hirsch <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 9 Sep 2014 08:40:39 -0400

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Since the thread has grown to include Cage, I'd like to share this archival
video <http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/04/john_cage_on_a_.html>. No
longer related to the subject line, but pretty interesting, I think.

Peter Hirsch

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Maybe a bit more ARSC-related is the great series of conversations of Cage
> and Feldman, recorded in the early '60s at WBAI. Are these well-known?
> Several can be found at archive.org. John and Morty smoking and riffing
> on whatever is on their minds. IIRC, there were six in all, but only a
> couple of them are on the archive. What radio once was.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Hirsch
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 11:32 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] CD time limit
>
> Frank,
>
> I think that the non-melodic, non-linear, nature of Feldman's music allows
> for great latitude in terms of length of performance. The idea of making
> cuts in works of this nature makes no sense, at least not to me. Their
> length and rhythmic near-stasis are as vital to them as the notes on the
> page.
>
> I fear that we may be wandering off into areas that are non-ARSC related,
> so I won't further analyse Feldman's compositional method and its impact
> any further here. Thanks for pointing out the other DVD recordings of his
> work. I will keep an eye out for them.
>
> Peter
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Frank Strauss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter-I looked this work up and also another work by Feldman
> > titled, "For John Cage."  These both appear on a Matchless DVD
> > (MRDVD01) that is described as follows:
> >
> > "Region: 0, PAL format. This is a video DVD, although images are only
> > used for the DVD menu and the first 25 sec of each track. The screen
> > will be black for the remainder of the pieces. The disk can only be
> > played on a computer with DVD drive or DVD player."
> >
> > I am listening to a streaming version while I type, and I congratulate
> > you for being able to find the time to sit and listen all the way
> > through; the music is somewhat challenging to listen to attentively.
> > Interesting to note that "For John Cage" is 89.01 minutes long and the
> > Piano and String Quartet is 89.30 minutes.  Both versions are done by
> > the Smith Quartet in 2009.  Do you think that moving to a DVD solves
> > some problems?  Why are the Smith Quartet versions 10 minutes longer
> > than your version?  Is it possible that some of the work was removed
> > to make it fit on CD, or are the tempi different enough so that the work
> lasts longer in the Smith version?
> > Regards, FBS
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Peter Hirsch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > I am listening to a recording of Morton Feldman's Piano and string
> > quartet
> > > on a Bridge CD (catalog no. 9369). This piece clocks in at 79:13 and
> > > is recorded as a single track of that length. The sound drops out
> > > from time
> > to
> > > time for a moment, which leads me to wonder if the unusual length of
> > > the disc and track is a factor have listened to this disc on my
> > > computer's CD drive without these dropouts.
> > >
> > > Can someone give a lucid, brief, explanation of what causes the
> > > dropouts and why the results are different on my computer and CD
> player?
> > >
> > > Curious as ever,
> > >
> > > Peter Hirsch
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Frank B Strauss, DMD
> >
>

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