lot's to consider here. thank you all for your support and insight.
i will keep you posted on my progress.
one more somewhat related question: where can i study good techniques
for recording onto an Edison way cylinder? i have seen people do i
well on outlets like youtube, but when I do it, it comes out very
poorly, very distorted and/or soft. I have been working on this with
a professional engineer, and we have had no luck. Is there a source
that discusses techniques for getting the best recording possible on
I appreciate the consideration,
On Sep 3, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Aaron Levinson wrote:
> I agree. Could be very memorable in performance and I think the
> vinyl cactus rubber mat idea is a very good premise.
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
>> Hi Richard:
>> Tim's the man! He sold me a beautifully restored Edison player,
>> which has a prominent place in my living room. Next time I get
>> some pennies from heaven, he'll sell me a wood-horn Victor player.
>> See what Tim says about this issue. Maybe he's got some way to
>> play VINYL 78's. You could get a 78 cut, for instance by Charles
>> Bork, from your tape or digital file. Then get one of the small-
>> run presses to make you 100 or so copies. Then, you'll long have
>> extras for when they wear out. Tim might have a solution (maybe a
>> cactus needle?) to play vinyl. I think 200-gram vinyl would be
>> thick enough not to slip, but you could also craft a rubber
>> platter mat to deal with that issue.
>> Thinking about how this could come across in performance, I don't
>> consider it even semi-ridiculous anymore. I think it's kewl. More
>> power to you and your band.
>> -- Tom Fine
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Grimes"
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 5:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] shellac 78 problem
>>> Thanks Tom; This is all very helpful. There's a fellow out of
>>> Minneapolis, Kim Gutzke of Custom Records, who talked of trying
>>> to do the shellac, but years have gone by and nothing has come
>>> to pass, so i've lost hope in that possibility. When we first
>>> began this effort to work with the Victor, it was under the
>>> assumption that this possibility would eventually work out. now
>>> we are stuck with the very likely prospect of faking it, which I
>>> always hate. It's hard to believe that nobody out there does
>>> this. I guess there's just no a void to be filled anymore?
>>> Thanks again for your input.
>>> p.s. Tim sold us our Victor IV, as well as an Edison wax
>>> cylinder player/recorder. He has been very helpful with so many
>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Tom Fine wrote:
>>>> Hi Richard:
>>>> This query comes across as semi-ridiculous, but you can fudge
>>>> things. No, you can't get shellac disks pressed today and no,
>>>> you can't play laquer disks, either wide-groove or not, on a
>>>> Victor IV. But, you could easily rig up a system onstage where
>>>> an iPod plays into a little speaker hidden in the throat of the
>>>> horn. Buy some terrible junk 78 record (because it will be
>>>> destroyed). Get someone like Tim Fabrizio to send you a junker
>>>> Victor diaphram, disconnected from the needle. This will then
>>>> put no sound into the horn to interfere with the speaker sound.
>>>> Drop the needle on the record and at the same time hit play on
>>>> the iPod and the audience will be none the wiser.
>>>> In case, for your recording, you want a real 78RPM wide-groove
>>>> record, there's a guy named Charles Bork out in Seattle who can
>>>> cut it for you. This can then be plated and pressed as a 10"
>>>> vinyl record, playable with a 78 stylus but not playable on an
>>>> old Victor turntable (it will be chewn to bits on its first play).
>>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Grimes"
>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 3:57 PM
>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] shellac 78 problem
>>>>> Greetings ARSC!
>>>>> I am new to the list, so I hope I am corresponding with you
>>>>> all in the proper manner with this email. If not, just let
>>>>> me know and I will redress accordingly.
>>>>> I am the Artistic Director of an eclectic contemporary group
>>>>> called cordis - and I am in a pickle - hoping you or one of
>>>>> your members might be able to assist, or at least point me in
>>>>> a direction. I very recently aquired a Victor IV talking
>>>>> machine, with the foolish assumed there would some boutique
>>>>> sources out there that would be able to press shellac discs.
>>>>> My research has indicated otherwise, and I am now in a bit of
>>>>> a panic as the ensemble is knee deep in the recording of a new
>>>>> album that is dependent upon the use of our trusty
>>>>> Victor. We can always fake it in the studio, but live, we cannot.
>>>>> Do you know of any sources who might be able to assist us here?
>>>>> i am a neophyte when it comes to understanding this early
>>>>> technology, so please forgive me if my query comes across as
>>>>> ridiculous. any direction you might be able to offer is
>>>>> greatly appreciated.