Sorry, just to clarify that "Professor" was used, and retained, as the qualifier, because he is referred to in the source as "Professor David Jacoby". "Professor" in this case has been recorded as a title, not as a term for a profession or occupation.

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Kate

I've looked at the record history for n 89106593.

"Professor" was added by us in 2009, under AACR2, to avoid conflict with another author. In 2012 the record was flagged with the RDA 667 note, for review. In 2014 it was reviewed, again by us, and recoded to RDA. Following NACO policy, the authorized access point was not changed, because it was RDA-acceptable following 9.19.1.6. It's our understanding that an authorized access point should only be changed, when re-coding to RDA, if it is incorrect in form or fact. It would, therefore, be incorrect to replace the valid RDA qualifier with another, such as a date, even if we the date would have been the preferred qualifier for an authorized access point that had no qualifier.

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Richard

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It is important to appreciate the distinction between a title that is addition to the preferred name in an authorized access point, and a title that is a part of the person's name itself.

A title from the categories in 9.4 is not part of a person's name.  It is an element that can be added as an addition to the preferred name in the authorized access point.  The only "titles" that are part of the name are those discussed in 9.2.2.14-9.2.2.17 in which the title contains both a term of rank (e.g., Viscount) and a proper noun (e.g., Bolingbroke) and the proper noun portion of the title is treated as a surname (e.g., Bolingbroke, Henry St. John, Viscount).  Even though Viscount is recorded in $c in MARC, it is considered part of the preferred name--not an addition to the name.

The only instruction in 9.4 for which the term "Professor" could be reasonably be thought to apply is 9.4.1.9.  However, these titles are "Terms of Rank, Honour, or Office" and are not meant to be conflated with profession or occupation.  In some countries, like Germany, professor is more of a title signifying a level of academic accomplishment.  In the United States, it is a profession or occupation that may also be used as a term of address. LC's initial opposition to 6JSC/BL/3, which reintroduced this element from AACR2 to RDA was because of the confusion between these "terms of rank, honor, or office" and terms indicating "profession or occupation."  This is why the example proposed by the BL of "Professor" was removed from this section.

Is is clear from the NAR for this person that he is a teacher at the college level so Professor is a term of profession or occupation in his case.  This record was flagged in 2012 as part of the Phase 1 changes to the LC/NACO authority file and it received the note with which we are all now familiar:

667 THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED

Gary's programmatic changes only added the 667 note--they did not recode the record to "rda."  When the NAR was updated in 2014 and recoded to RDA, the NACO participant either forgot to change the 100 field to reflect RDA policies, or they misunderstood the distinction between 9.4.1.9 and 9.16.  There is a priority order of additions in 9.19.  Date of birth and/or death should be added before anything else, and the the date of birth was added to the record when it was recoded to RDA.  Since there is another David Jacoby in the NAF without any additions to the name in the authorized access point, something is needed to disambiguate this one.  Thus, following RDA and the LC-PCC PS for 9.19.1.3, Existing Authority Records, as they should have been applied when this NAR would have been evaluated for RDA use, I have changed the 100 form thus:

        100 1# $a Jacoby, David, $d 1928-

Also important to note is the fact that in the current priority of additions, profession or occupation should be added to distinguish before "term of rank, honour or office."  Since a profession is ascertainable from the existing information in the NAR, that should have been added if dates were not available.


Kate James
Policy and Standards Division
Library of Congress



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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:21 PM
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I think it would depend on whether the term is a person's title, or it is being added as an occupation or profession.  If the term is part of the person's name (e.g. it appears on resources as "Professor David Jacoby"), then it would be recorded as

Jacoby, David, $c Professor

On the other hand, if it doesn't appear as part of his name but is being added as an occupation/profession, then it would be in parentheses:

Jacoby, David $c (Professor)

Since there is justification in the authority record for the name "Professor David Jacoby", I think this authority record is correct as is.

Adam Schiff

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