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Re: VINYL AND STYLUS AT 1000X MAGNIFI CATION

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Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:22:49 -0500

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Does anyone know if the ultrasonic machines have any problems with detaching laquer from disks, 
metal or glass? I would want to test this concept carefully before putting a fragile disk into one, 
especially if the laquer is already brittle or cracked.

Also, in the discussion about cleaning tape splices, did someone say the naptha works on that sticky 
white crud that builds up on some lacquers?

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rebecca Feynberg" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] VINYL AND STYLUS AT 1000X MAGNIFI CATION


>I visited the National Film and Sound Archive in Canberra, Australia this
> summer. They use an ultrasonic disc cleaner. It is quite mesmerizing to
> watch the mold and residue lift from the grooves into the water dissolving
> into a cloud.
>
> Here is a link to the company the makes the sonic disc cleaners. They are
> not made specifically for discs but the cleaning process works well for
> them. Elma is the company that makes the machines.
>
> http://www.elma-ultrasonic.com/en/products/ultrasonic-units.html
>
> They use a solvent in the water, called Cetrimide.
>
> I have heard that with the Monks machine some buildup may look like it is
> cleared but can reappear in time. The sonic disc cleaner does a fine job of
> permanently removing the buildup.
>
> Regards,
> Rebecca
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:51 PM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used the current generation of ultrasonic record cleaners for
>> professional or home use?  Very pricey in the $4500+ range.
>>
>> Eric Nagamine
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Dennis Rooney" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] VINYL AND STYLUS AT 1000X MAGNIFICATION
>> Date: Mon, Nov 17, 2014 9:17 AM
>>
>>
>> I note in this thread that no one has mentioned the device that cleans
>> discs better than any other, viz. the Keith Monks machine. Forty years of
>> use on vinyl, lacquers and shellac confirms it.
>>
>> DDR
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I have looked with an optical microscope at records before and after VPI
>> > cleaning. Chunky dust as shown in those photographs can be greatly
>> reduced
>> > by wet-brush cleaning and vacuum-drying as is done by the VPI and several
>> > other brand machines. I also looked at records cleaned with DiscWasher
>> > (original brush and fluid) and the new velvet brush and fluid sold under
>> > the "stanton" brand. Both left clumps of dust, wherever the brush was
>> > rolled backward and taken off the record. I also looked at a record
>> cleaned
>> > with Sleeve City's spray-on fluid and their "shammy" type cloth. Not only
>> > was dust left, there were visible small scratches caused by the cloth. My
>> > conclusion was, I only want to use the VPI machine.
>> >
>> > Also, regarding syluses, I'm a big believer in that relatively new
>> > Japanese thing that's basically a blob of tacky gel. You lower the stylus
>> > onto the gel blob and let it sit a few seconds, then use the lifter arm
>> to
>> > take it up. Dust on the stylus stays on the block of gel. The gel is
>> > water-washable and I recommend washing it regularly. Stylus dry-brushes
>> of
>> > the type that come included with some cartridges work OK but don't
>> dislodge
>> > all dust. I still have some old LAST fluid and brush from the 80s and it
>> > does a nice job of cleaning crud off the stylus and cantilever. I use
>> that
>> > after every couple dozen sides.
>> >
>> > -- Tom Fine
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Smolian" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:05 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] VINYL AND STYLUS AT 1000X MAGNIFICATION
>> >
>> >
>> >  Victor Campos wrote an article, "Gunk in the Grooves," that was in an
>> >> American Record Guide in the 1960s.  He published a group of photographs
>> >> with it that were groove close-ups of great quality (on coated paper),
>> >> showed all kinds of dirt problems and discussed their solutions (if
>> that's
>> >> the proper word.) This is well before Disc Doctor came to the rescue, of
>> >> course.
>> >>
>> >> Steve Smolian
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Don Cox
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 2:22 PM
>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] VINYL AND STYLUS AT 1000X MAGNIFICATION
>> >>
>> >> On 11/11/2014, Carl Pultz wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  Pretty neat images. Makes it that much more amazing that records work
>> >>> at all.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://dangerousminds.net/comments/vinyl_and_stylus_at_1000x_magnifica
>> >>> tion
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>  Not sure about the first two, but the third picture is a scanning
>> >> electron
>> >> microscope image that has been around for decades.
>> >>
>> >> Certainly worth pointing out for those who haven't seen them.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Carl
>> >>>
>> >> Regards
>> >> --
>> >> Don Cox
>> >> [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 1006 Langer Way
>> Delray Beach, FL 33483
>> 212.874.9626
>>
>
> 

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