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Re: Sound recordings cataloging software

From:

Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:44:26 -0500

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I can't download the PDF here. I keep getting document error messages from Acrobat. Is it just my 
computer?

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rodriguez, Sandy" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software


>I believe the music industry is trying to get their metadata act together, although their specs don’t 
>quite jibe with the library world.
>
>
>
> http://musicbiz.org/press-releases/music-biz-music-metadata-style-guide/
>
>
>
> Throwing that out there and running like hell. ☺ (…because I haven’t actually reviewed them)
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> Sandy Rodriguez
>
> Special Collections Metadata Librarian
>
> University of Missouri-Kansas City
>
> 410 Miller Nichols Library | 5100 Rockhill Road | Kansas City, MO 64110-2499
>
> Phone: (816) 235-2229 | Fax: (816) 333-5584 | [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf 
> Of Peter Hirsch
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:48 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
>
>
> Yes, consistency which is maintained by authority control (in
>
> library-speak) is absolutely essential and no decent system can function without it. That is why I 
> prefer to use MARC records created under the cataloging rules generally accepted by libraries. I 
> believe, though, that once I find software that enables me to download these records from Library 
> of Congress, OCLC or wherever, I will still need to tweak them to get the full depth of access to 
> all (recorded work, all individuals involved in performing and recording to whatever degree this 
> is discoverable) information attached to each recorded unit (I hate using the term track, but that 
> is roughly what I mean here) level.
>
>
>
> All this discussion has been very useful so far and I hope to explore as many of the avenues 
> mentioned as possible.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Peter Hirsch
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Tom Fine 
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> The downfall of all these database programs is where they're pulling
>
>> information. The more I think about it, the more sense I see in
>
>> Peter's idea of using MARC data. At least MARC aheres to relatively
>
>> strict conventions. They may be klunky, but they're designed to be consistent.
>
>>
>
>> As one who has filled in tags for 150+ classical CDs, trying both
>
>> iTunes
>
>> (Gracenote) and dBPowerAmp (which draws on a number of sources
>
>> including freedb, Allmusic and others), there is ZERO consistency out
>
>> there. The same conductor and orchestra may be listed differently for
>
>> each album, even on the same label. Composer names are screwy and
>
>> sometimes just wrong. A lot of data, especially for DGG and EMI CDs,
>
>> is in German (useless to an English speaker who wants an English
>
>> database). The whole experience was infuriating, and in fact convinced
>
>> me it wasn't worth my time to suck all my CDs into a hard drive
>
>> library. The worst of all this is that Gracenote is a FOR PROFIT
>
>> company and they have never lifted a finger to clean up their database
>
>> from its dark early "crowdsourced" days. You can expect crowd-source
>
>> cluster-you-know-what from freedb, but a real "company" should value
>
>> their brand more. Apparently, customers who pay license fees, like Apple, don't pressure them 
>> hard enough.
>
>>
>
>> Even though MARC's naming conventions may not be near what I would
>
>> think of, I assume the same conductor and orchestra show up under the
>
>> same names in every entry. If not, that's terrible!
>
>>
>
>>  From Day 1, record companies could have kept all of this consistent
>
>> and
>
>>> uniform by using the CDText
>
>>>
>
>> layer always in Red Book, and getting together on standardized naming
>
>> conventions, perhaps under an ISO standard. This would have required a
>
>> few extra minutes per CD to enter the data, but it should have been
>
>> standard practice all along. Instead, a lazy attitude by everyone who
>
>> could control a standard led to crowd-sourced inconsistent garbage.
>
>>
>
>> -- Tom Fine
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Hunter Kevil"
>
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:00 PM
>
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>  I wonder if anyone has extensive experience with jRiver, media
>
>> library
>
>>> software for digital files. It has received wide praise over the
>
>>> years. It can read and process into libraries CDs. It can handle - I
>
>>> believe - all the sundry audio file formats.
>
>>>
>
>>> I have thousands of lps as well.The question is this: will jRiver
>
>>> handle the cataloguing of lps, even if there is no digital file
>
>>> attached? I harbor the hope - optimistic for sure - of digitizing
>
>>> some of my most cherished lps.
>
>>>
>
>>> L. H. Kevil
>
>>> Out to pasture, Univ of Missouri
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Stephen <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>>  I use Collectorz's Music Collector software for my collection of
>
>>> about
>
>>>> 2800
>
>>>> recordings (CD, vinyl, and digital files), and find it extremely useful.
>
>>>> It's not perfect--it pulls info from sources (Amazon, for example,
>
>>>> or data uploaded to the Collectorz database by other users) that are
>
>>>> not always 100% accurate, so I usually have to do some editing.  But
>
>>>> it does allow easy searching of artists, conductors, orchestras,
>
>>>> labels, genres, etc.  It allows for recordings with multiple
>
>>>> artists, composers, orchestras, etc.
>
>>>> And you can specify where the recording is stored.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> You can catalog recordings in several ways:  1) Place a CD in your
>
>>>> computer's CD drive, and let the program scan it; 2) Use a barcode
>
>>>> scanner on the back of the CD case; 3) Type in the UPC or title, and
>
>>>> let the program search for matches; 4) Point the program to digital
>
>>>> files on your computer or backup device, and let it scan those; or
>
>>>> 5) Enter info manually.
>
>>>>  With
>
>>>> #1-4, covers are downloaded automatically from various sources; with
>
>>>> #5, after adding the recording, you use the program to search for a
>
>>>> cover, which is then downloaded and added to the database.  (This
>
>>>> last method can also be used with methods 1-4 to get a different
>
>>>> cover than the one automatically
>
>>>> downloaded.)
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I've been impressed by the constant improvements in the program since I
>
>>>> purchased it several years ago.   My only complaint is that there is yet
>
>>>> no
>
>>>> simple search-and-replace that allows you to replace (for example)
>
>>>> "G-Dur"
>
>>>> with "G major".
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Stephen Peithman, Producer/Host, “Connections”
>
>>>> Capital Public Radio | capradio.org | 7055 Folsom Blvd, Sacramento,
>
>>>> CA
>
>>>> 95826
>
>>>> Listener supported Public Radio | Licensed to Sacramento State
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>
>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Marsha Maguire
>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:35 AM
>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound recordings cataloging software
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Hi, Peter,
>
>>>>
>
>>>> As discussed earlier, there are some free and inexpensive
>
>>>> applications out there that should allow you to capture existing
>
>>>> MARC or other descriptive metadata and load it into a database. A
>
>>>> good place to start looking for such software is the American
>
>>>> Library Association's Automating Libraries: A Selected Annotated
>
>>>> Bibliography (ALA Library Fact Sheet 21, 2014), available at
>
>>>> http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet21. One
>
>>>> product mentioned there (although it doesn't seem to work with MARC
>
>>>> data) is Music Collector at Collectorz.com:
>
>>>> http://www.collectorz.com/music/  I have no idea how complete the
>
>>>> Music Collector database is (from which you can download records
>
>>>> into your home database), but according to one review, Amazon is
>
>>>> also searched. There is an optional barcode reader add-on.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> A similar product is Readerware Music Database, which lets you scan
>
>>>> in the UPC barcode (or enter other info like Title, etc.). It then
>
>>>> "collects full information from a number of different sources
>
>>>> including reviews, cover art, full disk and track listings" for your
>
>>>> home database:
>
>>>> http://www.readerware.com/index.php/products/details/music_details
>
>>>> Both these products offer free trials, and both are very inexpensive.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Another option is CollectiveAccess, which, although it's intended
>
>>>> primarily for archival and museum collections, can import MARC and
>
>>>> other data (how simple this process is I'm not sure):
>
>>>> http://collectiveaccess.org/. You could download MARC records and
>
>>>> export them in various formats with the wonderful MarcEdit, which is
>
>>>> free: http://marcedit.reeset.net/ Presumably, you could then load
>
>>>> them into CollectiveAccess.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> As far as I know, All Music Guide metadata isn't free, but if that
>
>>>> is inaccurate, I'd love to be corrected.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I hope you find software that works for you, Peter, and if you
>
>>>> discover something fabulous, please let us know!
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Marsha Maguire (retired LC cataloger)
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
> 

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