If you use CEDAR, they have a de-wow and flutter program, (I'm not sure exactly what it's called), which does a magnificent job of removing off-centre wow. I don't know if I've posted this before, but I took the first record of a 45 rpm set of Tchaikovsky's "Romeo and Juliet" and put it on the turntable so that the inner edge of the large 45 rpm hole was against the small spindle on a regular turntable. I played it this way, (huge wow, of course), and ran it through the CEDAR program - the wow completely disappeared. I haven't tried it yet, but the promotional material says you can be playing a record and while doing so, put your finger on the edge of the record to momentarily slow it down, and the program will completely heal the speed shift. This saves trying to centre your records for play back and is especially useful if the record you have is a second generation and the wow originates on the first generation, (this often happens).
On Sunday, March 1, 2015 11:39 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I agree about centering the disk. I've come to put more weight on this fact in recent times, and
have been surprised how many 78s were pressed off-center.
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From: "John Haley" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Busy Bee records
> The advantage of modern styluses is that you can get them with truncated
> tips, which you definitely want, especially for restoration purposes. They
> generally play a 78 much cleaner than an original issue pointy tip that is
> hitting all the wear in the very bottom of the groove, which it seems can
> often be the most worn part of the groove. You can also get elliptical
> ones, which sometimes play better than conical. It's definitely a trial
> and error thing, as the history of the individual record matters a lot.
> Nauck sells all of these (see prior link that I posted), which is where I
> bought my array of styluses for restoration work. While I have not
> compared to styluses available elsewhere, these have worked really well for
> me. You can generally tell which of several styluses is "right" by which
> gives the strongest and least noisy result. Sometimes I play little
> samples using different styluses and record them all to .wav files, then
> take my time comparing by playing back the .wav files and comparing this
> against that. It is much easier to compare four or five samples this way,
> where the results are not obvious upon first playing. For regular
> commercial 78's, especially after the acoustic era, the starting point is
> usually a 2.75 TE (truncated elliptical). This is often the best one. For
> transcription discs, there is no standard.
> Thanks for the tip about the different kinds of Stanton 500 cartridges. I
> didn't know about the plastic-case ones. I just looked at mine, which I
> have had forever, and it has a gold metal case.
> Finding the best stylus is just the first step. Actually getting the 78
> record centered perfectly comes first. Next it is imperative, really
> imperative, to work with phono-equalization curves at the preamp level to
> find the "right" match. It makes a huge difference. That's a whole
> 'nuther topic.
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
>> Hi John:
>> I agree with you that the Stanton 500 makes a good chasis for 78RPM
>> playback, but we should clarify that there are Stanton 500's with
>> metal-colored (I think actual stainless or aluminum) bodies and then there
>> are white-colored plastic versions sold in the late years of China-based
>> "Stanton." I have both kinds, and the metal-colored one sounds much better,
>> to my ears. I think the plastic one resonates or makes some other frequency
>> anomoly due to its body design.
>> Since "Stanton" no longer makes a model 500, the choice today is the Shure
>> M78, which is based on the M44 and fitted with a conical wide-groove
>> stylus. I don't know this for fact but I'm pretty sure that the guys at
>> Expert Stylus in the UK would fit generic M44 stylus assemblies with
>> whatever tips a 78 collector desired. It's non-ideal, not as good as when
>> Shure itself made a high-quality 78 playback system with many needle
>> options (and real-deal Stanton did at the same time). But for 90+% of
>> wide-groove playing, it'll do the trick.
>> -- Tom Fine
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Haley" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 3:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Busy Bee records
>> You can also buy styluses in various sizes from Nauck, here:
>>> and see the good advice toward the bottom of that page. Most people I
>>> use a Stanton 500 cartridge to play 78's (as I do).
>>> John H. Haley
>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Mark Hendrix <[log in to unmask]
>>> Ben Roth wrote, "Does anyone know what type of stylus or cartridge should
>>>> used for Busy Bee records?"
>>>> Hello, Ben,
>>>> Here is some information that I hope will help.
>>>> Cartridges: Shure M-44 (still manufactured) with the N44-C stylus (I
>>>> know if this is still manufactured; the N 44/7 stylus is the LP version)
>>>> the Stanton 500 series (no longer manufactured) with the Stanton stylus
>>>> made for playing 78s (D5127 stylus, blue plastic stylus holder, also no
>>>> longer manufactured; the D5110, white plastic stylus holder, is the LP
>>>> Busy Bee disc records were lateral cut records designed to be played
>>>> with a
>>>> steel needle. These needles had a tip radius of approximately 3 mil,
>>>> 'mil' means 'one thousandth of an inch.' You will get the best sound by
>>>> choosing a stylus that plays the portion of the groove that was NOT
>>>> by the original playback equipment, so depending on how worn your records
>>>> are, you need a variety of styli to ride above or below where the steel
>>>> needle traveled to get the best reproduction.
>>>> So, for styli: short answer: 2.3 mil, 2.7 mil, and 3.5 mil -sized styli
>>>> handle the majority of "78's" you will encounter.
>>>> For general playback info from a collector's (and professional
>>>> engineer's) point of view, try the late Roger Beardsley's article at:
>>>> He recommends - a set of 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 and 3.5 mil (or alternatively 2.0,
>>>> 2.8 and 3.2 mil) truncated elliptical styli should do for a start; you
>>>> rarely come across a record that does not sound acceptable with one of
>>>> these, although in some cases an 1.5 mil or a 4.0 mil improves the
>>>> reproduction noticeably.
>>>> Here is where you can find Expert Stylus' recommendations:
>>>> I hope this is helpful. Best wishes, Mark Hendrix