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Re: CD booklet loan needed Duke Ellington 3CD set

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Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:28:36 -0400

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I agree with Mike's lament, and I have tried to push for more complete PDF material at HDTracks. 
They are not to blame -- they are under requirement to provide only what the labels give them. Sony 
and Warner almost always just give a low-rez PDF of some cover art (sometimes not related to an 
actual cover on an actual physical product or CD booklet). UMG has gone this route more often 
recently, but some of the Verve jazz and all of the Mercury Living Presence downloads include full 
booklet scans. I think some of the RCA Living Stereo downloads also include a booklet scan, to 
Sony's credit. Some of the new Blue Note reissues included deluxe PDFs with new "putting it in 
perspective" essays plus the original LP notes. There will be new MLP downloads, the newly 
remastered material from the new box set. I have provided nice scans of the LP covers for PDFs, and 
I am told they will be included in the downloads. One label that includes full PDFs on HDTracks is 
Smithsonian Folkways. And they are high-quality PDF's at that. There are also high-quality PDFs with 
the Tom Petty "Damn The Torpedoes" deluxe anniversary reissue download and the Paul McCartney "Band 
On The Run" download. Also Reference Recording, I think all of their downloads include high quality 
PDFs of their booklets.

Just like CDText, with industry agreed-upon metadata standards, should have been mandatory from Day 
1 of Red Book, high-resolution PDFs of physical media packaging and booklet copy should be mandated 
as standard industry practice for downloads. But, just like with CDs coming out with no text and 
thus metadata being consigned to "crowdsource" chaos, the PDF documentation horse got out of the 
barn when it wasn't mandated for iTunes.

By the way, a listmember was kind enough to send me a scan of that Ellington booklet, and I am happy 
to have it because it's almost all new words vs the earlier "The Blanton-Webster Band" box set. This 
newer set is a nice product, alas it's already out of print.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Biel" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] CD booklet loan needed Duke Ellington 3CD set


> They are eventually going to dumpster the books, booklets, CD, etc.
> anyway. Didn't we recently have this discussion?
>
> I once had a student have her class registrations held up for a bill for
> something like $75 to replace a book she had lost from the university
> library.  I gave her an extra copy I had to give to the library instead.
> They accepted it.  Then the following year I saw it on their 25 cent
> discard cart!  I ripped the librarian a new one -- not a book by the way
> -- and to never dare threaten a student of mine's college career over a
> lost book.
>
> Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] CD booklet loan needed Duke Ellington 3CD set
> From: Rob DeLand <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Thu, March 12, 2015 11:29 am
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> I've seen both extremes here in the Chicago area. One library tosses
> booklets from box sets (blasphemers!), while several do a great job of
> keeping it all intact. In fact, I just discovered one has the first
> Paramount Revenant set! It was on hold, so I took the Charley Patton
> Revenant set instead. Chicago Public tries to circulate everything, but
> I
> suspect they have a few cretins behind the circ desk who don't pay
> attention and couldn't care less. It's hard to manage a situation like
> that when you have dozens of branches and skill levels.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Chris Bishop <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> I would think a library would include the booklet if they had it.
>>
>> Once I went to pick up a brand new box set I had on reserve from Portland
>> OR's public library. I was to be the second person to check it out. It had
>> been on reserve prior to the release date, so it had never been out in the
>> public stacks. All the booklets that accompanied the CDs were missing -
>> those hadn't been barcoded, only the main book had. I asked if they had
>> been stored somewhere, but the library didn't do that with their CDs. It
>> was very likely that the first person to check it out had stolen these
>> inserts.
>>
>> I suggested the librarians could at least ask this patron about the
>> booklets, perhaps the attention would discourage him in the future. But the
>> librarians weren't interested, and they're not police after all. Pillaging
>> from libraries is common enough, but it was shocking to see it done so
>> quickly to a fine new acquisition!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Paul Urbahns <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Why not ask the library, they probably put it in a file folder someplace.
>> >
>> > On 3/12/15, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > > Beggars can't be choosers, but it's very annoying when a library
>> > circulates
>> > > CDs without booklets.
>> > > Such was the case for "Never No Lament - The Blanton-Webster Band
>> > 1940-42,"
>> > > a 2003 3-CD compilation
>> > > put out by BMG. If anyone owns this set and would kindly lend me the
>> > > booklet, I sure would
>> > > appreciate it. Please ping off-list if you can help.
>> > >
>> > > -- Tom Fine
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
> 

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