​Oh, so *that's* why I love my VRIIs. Best explanation I've heard.

I still use my Junior High School VRII !

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:04 PM, DAVID BURNHAM <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Mr. Howarth
> There are so many strange things in what you say, but to isolate a couple
> of them, unless you are cutting another disc, (highly unlikely), you never
> get back to hill and dale. I think what you are trying to say is that if
> you isolate and address all the noise on each channel separtately and then
> recombine you will get closer to the original desired signal. I used to do
> that but I soon discovered that you really don't accomplish anything and if
> you combine the channels to mono first and then remove the crackle and
> noise, the signal comes out even cleaner, since your nr system has less
> noise to deal with so it can do it more efficiently.
>
> I fix a lot of mono lateral recordings by converting to MS and treating
> the vertical and horizontally independently then recombining. Often the
> garbage in the vertical can be isolated and added back into the lateral out
> of polarity and it cleans up dramatically.
>
>
>
> On any lateral recording, the "M" is all lateral, (as is the desired
> signal), and the "S" is all vertical. So on any lateral recording, the "S"
> component is nothing but noise. There's nothing you can do to the "S"
> component which will be of any help when recombining it with the "M"
> component. All it can do is introduce more noise, if it does anything at
> all. More is accomplished simply by combining to two channels into mono,
> which completely eliminates the vertical or "S" component. If you're
> dealing with a vertical cut record all the "M"s and "S"s in the foregoing
> can be reversed.
>
> Now a problem with using a stereo cartridge on 78s is that noise elements
> on either side of the groove will show up when the channels are combined,
> (just like if you play a stereo record and combine the channels, left only
> and right only signals are still heard). If, however, you use a cartridge
> like the old GE VRII, which has no vertical compliance at all, you will get
> an ever cleaner rendering of your 78s because the stylus is backed by a
> rubber cushion which prevents vertical movement.
>
> db
>
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> On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 6:32 PM, JAMES HOWARTH <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>
> Digitizing in stereo also allows decrackling and declipping of the groove
> walls independently then re-combining them to get back the hill and dale.
> I fix a lot of mono lateral recordings by converting to MS and treating
> the vertical and horizontally independently then recombining. Often the
> garbage in the vertical can be isolated and added back into the lateral out
> of polarity and it cleans up dramatically.
>
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Mr. Roth - all I meant is that you can have the cartridge phased
> normally i.e. when you play a modern stereo record, it will be correct. You
> don't need to physically re-wire your cartridge unless you intend to just
> listen to the music. When I'm recording, I have the volume low because I am
> more concerned with listening to the final product. When I said out of
> phase I meant out of phase for vertical records. I have one turtable I use
> for almost all recording and like to keep is simple - I still have about
> 100 diamond discs - would you like a list? -Mickey
> >
> >
> >
> > Follow me on Twitter
> > https://twitter.com/MickeyRClark
> > M.C.Productions Vintage Recordings
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> > http://mcproductions.ca
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Roth" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Playing Edison Diamond discs
> >
> >
> >> Greetings, Mr. Clark
> >>
> >> Thank you for responding to my inquiry.
> >>
> >> I'm not quite sure what you meant by "record in stereo (out of phase)".
> >> Are you referring to the wiring of the cartridge for vertical grooves?
> >>
> >> Also, "invert the phase of one channel" and combine for mono.
> >> I use Sony Sound Forge 9 which has an "Invert/Flip" tool.
> >> It turns the wave of that channel upside down.
> >> Is that what I need to do?
> >> Please explain a little further.
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Ben Roth
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mickey Clark
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:53 AM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Playing Edison Diamond discs
> >>
> >> If you're using a computer, you can record in stereo (out of phase) ,
> then using a wave editor, invert the phase of one channel, then combine for
> mono.
> >> I know the process - and the sound will be horrible until you combine
> the tracks for mono - then all the noices will miraculously disappear!!! I
> use the same cartridge for modern stereo and verticals - saves a lot of
> hassle to do it this way and you don't need a designated cartridge wired
> for verticals - Mickey Clark
> >>
> >>
> >> Follow me on Twitter
> >> https://twitter.com/MickeyRClark
> >> M.C.Productions Vintage Recordings
> >> 710 Westminster Ave. West
> >> Penticton BC
> >> V2A 1K8
> >> 1-250-462-7881
> >> http://mcproductions.ca
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "James Roth" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 7:58 AM
> >> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Playing Edison Diamond discs
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I am transferring Edison Diamond disks.
> >>> I'm using a Shure M44-7 with a 3.5 FCR stylus from Expert Stylus.
> >>> I think I've rewired the leads properly for a hill-n-dale groove.
> >>> The turntable is a Technics Quartz SL 1200 Mk 2.
> >>> I'm using a KAB Great Sound Escort pre-amp.
> >>> Still, the sound leaves much to be desired.
> >>>
> >>> I'm having an extra hard time transferring the Liszt 2nd Hungarian
> >>> Rhapsody p/b Rachmaninoff.
> >>> Any suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >>> Ben Roth
> >>>
> >>> P.S. I strongly dislike that cadenza of Rachmaninoff! I don't think
> Liszt
> >>> would have like it either.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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