I assume these specs have changed since 2011.

Wavelab 8.0 doesn't do the whole thing. Wavelab 8.5, issued last year, does.

Steve Smolian

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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] another file format question

Tom,

Getting back to your question about different programs having difference levels of support for embedded metadata, though out of date, it'd be worth your while to go over this study:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/pdf/ARSC_TC_MD_Study.pdf

Jim


On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Ditto on the thanks to Dave Rice. I have learned quite a bit about
> this topic today. I still won't use FLAC as my primary PCM-write
> format, but I use it all over my house and studio as a backup and stream-access format.
>
> It's also worth noting, along the lines of what Paul Stamlber said,
> that because FLAC files reduce the storage need per second of audio,
> it's a great format for transmission and also for the new generation
> of portable players such as by Sony, Pono and A&K.
>
> Given that no other major company except Apple seems to have
> patent-lawyer issues with FLAC's open-source-ness, I will opine that
> this is a phantom menace created by Apple to justify sticking with
> their proprietary lossless format. If lossless downloads ever catch on
> mass-market with Amazon and Google, it's more likely that Apple
> gadgets and computers will deal with FLAC natively, and less likely
> that mass-market retailers will go to the trouble of selling
> proprietary ALAC alongside open-source FLAC. For what it's worth, on a
> modern (circa 2013) Windows 7 Lenovo workstation, ripping a CD to FLAC
> using dBPowerAmp takes less than 1/4 the time of ripping the same CD to ALAC in the latest iTunes for Windows.
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
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>
>
>
> Hi, Tom,
>>
>> iZotope has an option to save all metadata (as apparently does FLAC
>> (the container)). Otherwise, only metadata the program knows about is saved.
>>
>> Hi, Dave,
>>
>> One thing we have is the ability to embed MD5 checksums in WAV files
>> with the custom-written software BWFMETAEDIT. However, I have found
>> this software a bit problematic from time to time. It was sponsored
>> by a US Federal Government initiative.
>>
>> Thanks for the further insight. This was the type of discussion I was
>> hoping to engender when I posted the original message.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-05-18 1:25 PM, Tom Fine wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dave Rice, et al:
>>>
>>> Another question about the WAV file format. Why is dBPowerAmp's CD
>>> ripper able to write tag metadata to WAV files, and all of my
>>> various player software able to read them (Foobar2000, iTunes for
>>> Windows, Logitech server and player software), but if I open the WAV
>>> file in Sony Soundforge, do anything to it and then save it, the tag
>>> information is gone? Also, someone I sent one of these WAV files
>>> claimed his software
>>> -- either Protools or Logic -- said the file was "corrupted." So
>>> what's going on there? Soundforge and Harrison Mixbus software for
>>> Windows have no trouble opening these WAV files, but seem to discard
>>> the tag info or at least don't save it when work has been done on the file.
>>>
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>
>>> --
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>>
>>
>>