Hi, Dave.  I don't think Tom meant any disrespect for anyone, in raising
the point he raised.  At least I didn't see it that way.  And I'm afraid we
are all guilty of "bloviating" now and then on the ARSC List.  I may be
more guilty than most ...  Maybe that's therapeutic!  At least for us
bloviators, not sure about the readers ...

Your site is a fantastic resource, highly recommended to everyone
interested in jazz topics, and I intend to refer to it often.  Very glad to
see you participating on the ARSC List.

Best,
John H. Haley




On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Dave Radlauer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Tom --
>
> First of all, WE are way off topic.  If you are really interested here is
> some evidence:
>
> Yerba Buena Jazz Band
> http://jazzhotbigstep.com/372012.html
>
> Yes, I have some passion on the topic.  I've been broadcasting and
> researching this music for three decades and won over a half dozen
> broadcast and writing awards on the topic.  I'll invite you to my website
> which is a compendium of jazz before 1950 stylistically.  You will join the
> more than 15 million annual viewers.
>
> And no, I'm not hung up on the West Coast tuba and banjo "Watters/Murphy
> chain-drive."  That is merely one aspect of the revival, but a very large
> one influential worldwide. Dismissing them based on prejudice is
> inexcusable, sir.
>
> I can name a dozen bands and regional jazz movements worldwide that
> launched following directly on, or inspired in no small part by Watters and
> company in Australia, England, France, Germany and many regions of the US.
>
> Condon was a promoter and media celebrity.  In the end, his music is mostly
> jam sessions.  Ephemeral.
>
> If you wish to engage with me after looking/listening to some of the
> content on my site with open ears and mind, I'll be happy to engage
> respectfully in an appropriate medium.  Otherwise you're standing on low
> ground, my friend.
>
> Tom you are widely informed in many matters. I hope you can cut the
> bloviating and learn something new.
>
> Dave Radlauer
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Dave, lighten up.
> >
> > I'm not sneering at all. I was asking a question. Agree that Austin High
> > School take on hot jazz was not exactly like the original New Orleans
> > style, but neither was the revival. I also disagree with your statement
> > about Lu Watters, please provide some evidence. I sense from you a strong
> > west coast circa 1952 bias.
> >
> > -- Tom Fine
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Radlauer" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 9:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Of interest to hot jazz fans
> >
> >
> >  Tom --
> >>
> >> Not for everyone wanted to play bop.  Haven't you heard of the famous
> war
> >> in jazz between the moderns and the moldy figs?  Really your statement
> is
> >> beneath you.
> >>
> >> There were still young urban middle and working class white guys
> inspired
> >> by New Orleans music.  In the end, that generation including Lu Watters
> >> had
> >> a larger and still ongoing impact worldwide and culturally than the
> Condon
> >> gang, who were playing bastardized New Orleans anyway.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, but sneering at guys playing music they loved is not a pretty
> >> stance.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Huh? Why a "revival" then, of something that was still being played by
> >>> the
> >>> originators?
> >>>
> >>> Wasn't bebop that "new generation" music?
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Radlauer" <[log in to unmask]
> >
> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 7:41 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Of interest to hot jazz fans
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Every generation wants its own music, that's why.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave Radlauer
> >>>>
> >>>> www.JAZZHOTBigstep.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  Question - if the Austin High School Gang was still putting out
> records
> >>>>
> >>>>> through the late 40s and well into the LP era, why was a "hot jazz
> >>>>> revival"
> >>>>> necessary or commercially viable?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- Tom Fine
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> hm# 510-848-8323
> >> cell# 510-717-5240
> >> www.JAZZHOTBigstep.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
> --
> hm# 510-848-8323
> cell# 510-717-5240
> www.JAZZHOTBigstep.com
>