Hello all,
Could either Tom or Jamie point to some examples of this scrape flutter?
Presumably this would not exist on original vinyl issues of the albums in
question?
There is a very detailed comparison of various pressings of Led Zeppelin
II, (including mention of 'manual tape drag') to be found here:
*http://tinyurl.com/ngsdamh <http://tinyurl.com/ngsdamh>*
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On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Jamie Howarth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The NDAs are up to the remastering engineers, and they observe them. I did
> for 3 years when we did the Springsteen catalog and it killed me to do so
> but that was the deal.
>
> Please pardon the mispellings and occassional insane word substitution I'm
> on an iPhone
>
> > On Aug 4, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Jim Sam <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > If the mastering engineers signed NDAs, then those NDAs are quite porous.
> > Check out the "About This Album" section here that credits Barry Diament.
> > That name is nowhere on my non-reissue vinyl copies of the albums.
> >
> > http://www.hdtracks.com/coda-deluxe-edition
> > http://www.hdtracks.com/in-through-the-out-door-deluxe-edition
> > http://www.hdtracks.com/presence-deluxe-edition
> >
> > (the pdf you get with a download does not include this information--just
> > the album cover)
> >
> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Jamie Howarth <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> These tapes suffer from more than scrape flutter problems there's some
> >> speed drift slow wow and some cogging flutter.
> >> The drift and wow certainly affect Bonham's tempo ... We always hear an
> >> improvement in groove and pocket.
> >> What I would've loved to have heard is what would happen with the reverb
> >> tails and imaging. Mid 60s tapes really snap to attention. Mark Wilder
> was
> >> most surprised by the improvement in a Paul Revere and the Raiders
> master
> >> we fooled around with.
> >>
> >> Please pardon the mispellings and occassional insane word substitution
> I'm
> >> on an iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:58 PM, Lou Judson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Tom! I just might give it a listen some time. I’ll ask my
> stepson
> >> if he wants them, as an excuse to spend money on it! I missed his
> birthday
> >> this month…
> >>>
> >>> And, I am glad I asked - it was idle curiosity at first, but I have
> >> learned a lot! Thanks gang!
> >>> :-)
> >>> <L>
> >>> Lou Judson
> >>> Intuitive Audio
> >>> 415-883-2689
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Lou,
> >>>>
> >>>> Most people who love the music won't hear the flaws. I agree there's
> >> some audible scrape-flutter, if you listen carefully for scrape-flutter.
> >> What I would have really desired out of a Plangent transfer, which I
> think
> >> would have been delivered, is that super-crisp drum attack (super-fast
> rise
> >> times on percussives, which comes from eliminating the mechanical
> >> time-smear). John Bonham was a MONSTER, and his hit impacts drive the
> >> excitement of the beat. Getting rid of that last bit of tape smear would
> >> have been great.
> >>>> That said, Jimmy Page apparently wanted to work with a guy he knew in
> >> England and thus getting the kind of Plangent transfer I have gone for
> with
> >> my remastering wasn't in the cards.
> >>>> Aside from the (slightly) audible results of non-time-aligned
> >> mechanical playback, they got other things right. There's plenty of
> >> dynamics, plenty of bass, and the digital transfer captured stuff like
> >> reverb tails and guitar note picking action very well. Much better than
> >> previous digital iterations.
> >>>> -- Tom Fine
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 09:18:09 -0700, Lou Judson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Tom. Judging form an earlier comment, apparantly they
> >> skipped the dictum of getting the highest possible analog playback
> step. If
> >> someone (of us either here or on the Ampex list) can hear scrape
> flutter,
> >> it was not the best playback…
> >>
>
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