If my maintaining platform was this labor intensive I'd never get anything done.
Please pardon the mispellings and occassional insane word substitution I'm on an iPhone
> On Nov 29, 2015, at 1:21 PM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> There were good reasons why Windows XP was the big workhorse for Corporate
> America for so long, and why Corporate America resisted changing for as
> long as it could. Microsoft had to take extraordinary measures to force XP
> to die, murdering its own product to force in the new ones.
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Richard's situation is more complex but in some ways similar to mine. I
>> run two XP machines, and will continue to for the foreseeable. One is the
>> secondary DAW in the studio (formerly the primary DAW). I run XP on that
>> because the last reliable/stable/repeatable version of Roxio disc-burning
>> software runs on XP. The new version, now owned by a different company, is
>> awful, unstable and doesn't do some of its claimed DVD-authoring features.
>> I also have an older version of Sony Vegas and Sony's DVD-authoring
>> software that runs well on XP and I did not want to fool with trying to
>> make it run well on W7. That computer also runs Soundforge 9, the last
>> version of Soundforge that seamlessly integrated with Sony's CDArchitect
>> software (current versions of Soundforge include a stand-alone version of
>> CDArchitect which cannot be accessed and a projected dumped into it
>> directly from Soundforge). Finally, that machine has one of the older,
>> super-reliable Plextor Pro optical drives in it. That computer continues to
>> be very useful for authoring, duplicating, ripping and otherwise working
>> with optical media.
>> In my home office, the main computer still runs XP. I have a bunch of
>> older programs on it, and prefer the older Office interfaces, the older
>> Photoshop setup and the older Outlook Express e-mail client. I know I will
>> be forced to "upgrade" out of this world one day, but the computer still
>> does these tasks plenty fast, so that day is hopefully many months and
>> years away.
>> Everything else around here runs W7 except that one computer (now the
>> primary DAW in the studio), which runs W10. However, as I said, after
>> hearing Dave's tales of woe, I might swap back in the W7 drive. As I also
>> said, W7-64 is a fast operating environment for the kinds of things I do. I
>> don't prefer the W7 user interface to XP. I find things like navigating and
>> moving files take more steps or mouse-clicks, and I prefer the "classic"
>> folders view. As I said, I was an early adopter of Windows 95, I learned
>> quickly how to do things efficiently. By the time of Office 2003, they had
>> gotten all those apps running fast and almost always crash-free. So I see
>> no need to re-learn any of this since I can do what I need to do very
>> quickly and know a bunch of control-key shortcuts. In most ways, XP was an
>> ideal system because it brought all the good ideas of the original Windows
>> forward, kept things familiar enough, made some things easier and more
>> refined, and finally made the old NT-style kernal rock-solid. I understand
>> why they needed to do a bunch of things from scratch with Windows 7, but
>> they didn't need to redesign the Office interface, definitely didn't need
>> to do all the stupid interface chances with Windows 8 and should spend more
>> time making sure W7, W8 and W10 are as rock-solid as XP ended up being.
>> -- Tom Fine
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard L. Hess" <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wibdows 10?
>> Hi, John,
>>> Your eagle eye was working...as I stated in the other message, Windows XP
>>> is very peripheral to the vast majority of my work. I keep it around for my
>>> thermal transfer CD/DVD printer. Although I intended to switch to inkjet
>>> printable CDs, I haven't had the need to place an order for the blanks
>>> yet...my usage of optical media has gone WAY down. I have been able to
>>> convince almost all my software...or find substitutes for it...to run on
>>> Windows 10. Remember, I've been running Windows 7 since early 2011, and I
>>> found that a far more difficult transition. All but one of the W7 and later
>>> machines I'm responsible for have been 64 bit. I was very conservative with
>>> one friend who does writing and editing, so her first post-XP machine was
>>> W7/32. Her second machine was W8.1/64.
>>> We had 10 W7 and and 2 W8.1 machines in our family of four. The
>>> Historical Society I do IT work for has 4 W7 and 1 W8.1 machine and then
>>> there is the aforementioned friend with two machines. So, that brings me to
>>> 18 post XP machines to care for and worry about.
>>> I have actually done 7 of the 12 machines here. My three towers and two
>>> laptops and the two oldest (now surplus) machines when the boys each got an
>>> 8.1 laptop as their original primary machine had issues. Issues fixed,
>>> older backup machines made surplus. One of those updated has the W10
>>> install on a HD in a drawer and a new HD with Open SUSE Linux on it just
>>> for my amusement...I am easily amused.
>>> To complete the picture, I have three "keeper" XP machines. The original
>>> 2003 XP machine I bought is the one doing the printer support in the
>>> studio. I have a later machine set up as an audio workstation that has been
>>> used for massive optical disk burning projects in the past and also for DAT
>>> ingest in the past with a second operator. A third machine is kept as a
>>> backup for the one in the studio. I have a crummy machine in a nice case
>>> and a nice 2004 laptop that was even too slow for Linux, so it stays XP.
>>> Those two machines are heading out the door someday soon. The tower
>>> probably to recycling and hopefully someone will take the laptop via
>>> Kijiji. I also have an HP 100 LX and HP 200 LX palmtop DOS computers which
>>> I rarely use now.
>>> So, since Microsoft is offering free upgrades until July 29, 2016, I
>>> thought I should get started soonish.
>>> I first upgraded my "good" laptop (4th gen i5, 8 GB, orig W7 Home
>>> Premium) to W10 and was able to use it without a hitch. I researched the
>>> drivers for most of my equipment and tried one particularly fussy piece
>>> (Nikon Super Coolscan 5000ED/LS5000) on the laptop. All was good.
>>> So, I went ahead and over about a week upgraded the three towers and the
>>> workshop laptop. Then I upgraded the two older machines as described above.
>>> I was surprised that the little single-core "netbookish" PC ran
>>> surprisingly well, but don't ask it to multitask! If you are familiar with
>>> the Passmark CPU ratings, the netbookish has a rating about 500 (the same
>>> as a Pentium IV 3.2 GHz machine) but the system seems faster (64 vs 32
>>> bits?). The HP that became a Linux machine scores about 1400. The boys'
>>> newer laptops and mine score around 4000 as does my ingest desktop. The two
>>> other desktops score around 6000 and the W8.1 machine at the Historical
>>> Society scores over 10,000 and has a boot SSD--it screams. Our other
>>> laptops are around 2500.
>>> So with the two spares and my five done, my further deployment will be
>>> the boys' pairs over Christmas and my wife's and the five Historical
>>> Society machines and my other friend's two in the late winter (Feb-Mar).
>>> It works because we will no longer have the mix of 7 and 8.1 for
>>> different users/organizations.
>>> Windows 10 plusses:
>>> --boots faster
>>> --resolves some driver/hardware/software issues
>>> (one remains unresolved on one of two machines)
>>> --A superior UI to W8.1 and more like W7 in some respects
>>> --Improved UI functionality on many fronts
>>> --quite compatible (I Had to install a new driver to get
>>> expected results from a 8-9 year old HP laser printer
>>> HP had the driver available (HP P2015dn)
>>> Windows 10 minuses:
>>> --you actually have to DO IT. Although the upgrade process is
>>> automated you still need to go through all the functions and
>>> see if anything is not working.
>>> --A very few programs will not run. I can't recall anything that
>>> needed a paid-for license to run. I do recall buying a few things,
>>> but don't remember the reason...think it was "nice to have."
>>> --W7 gadgets won't run, but the performance meters are available as
>>> part of 8gadgetpak which runs fine on 10. I use a very cut-down
>>> version of just the CPU on the netbook.
>>> Seems safe http://bit.ly/1NjsMFp
>>> I have used the "suite" from Addgadgets.com which are included:
>>> All CPU Meter, Drives Meter, Network Meter plus the Microsoft
>>> analog clock, also included.
>>> This is one thing I don't have to worry about until 2025 or so and I
>>> won't have to spend money or needlessly dispose of machines in 2020 due to
>>> the cost of upgrade then. I might want to, but most of our machines are
>>> pretty competent.
>>> As to Microsoft Office, I have been using Libre Office for a while. It is
>>> not perfect, but it's good and is being actively developed. We've been
>>> under a bunch of pressure to save money at the Historical Society (for good
>>> reasons) and I suggested one way to do that on the three new machines we
>>> purchased last year was to use Libre Office instead of Microsoft Office.
>>> People are adapting well, from what I hear. Unless the boys require an
>>> updated version of MS Office, I don't see a reason to go beyond version
>>> The replacement for Publisher and Visio is more difficult. The Libre
>>> Office Draw is a simple drawing program, not Visio, but can be used for
>>> many things. Scribus is a full-featured desktop publishing application and
>>> having never been a fan of Publisher, I did a project last year in Scribus
>>> that worked fine. I don't do enough DTP to warrant keeping InDesign
>>> current. I have old versions (pre-CS) and the free CS2 version, but opted
>>> for Scribus the last time I needed to do something to make certain that the
>>> licensing was valid. (CS2's licensing is a bit iffy if you haven't bought
>>> that version, which I hadn't). I like InDesign CS2 better than Scribus,
>>> partially because I learned a bunch of things on InDesign. With that said,
>>> Publisher 2003 seems to at least open and load a template on W10.
>>> There are Win 9x programs that were written for various digital
>>> multimeters that sometimes ran under XP but balk at 64 bit OSs. I don't
>>> have any post-XP 32-bit machines here.
>>> The W7 XP 32 bit virtual machine is gone from Windows 10, although my CD
>>> printer software did not run under it. My old version of Visio did, but I
>>> stopped using that long ago so I wouldn't create more documents. Libre
>>> Office spent a lot of time on importing Visio docs to their draw program
>>> and I thank them for that. Not perfect, but good.
>>> That's all I can think of...think I'll turn this into a blog post.
>>>> On 11/29/2015 9:51 AM, John Haley wrote:
>>>> I noticed in the separate string about "laptop upgrade" (really about
>>>> external small DAC's), that you, Richard Hess, said you have upgraded
>>>> of your computers to Windows 10. I have been hesitating to do that
>>>> simply because things are working now the way they are, using various
>>>> Windows versions (except XP, which has now unfortunately left the
>>>> for me, along with some great programs that I lost). I don't want to
>>>> invite trouble, and as we all know, Microsoft is not really our friend.
>>>> And I have read somewhere online that Windows 10 has had a bug involving
>>>> hi-def audio files.
>>>> But if you are using Windows 10 for audio work, Richard, and all is going
>>>> well, maybe I will do the free upgrades to Windows 10 on all my
>>>> Microsoft sure wants me to, with all the constant nagging upgrade
>>>> messages. That in itself is almost a reason not to.
>>>> How has your experience been with Windows 10? Any problems?
>>>> And others on the list? Liking it? Not liking it?
>>>> John Haley
>>> Richard L. Hess email: [log in to unmask]
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