Hi Richard:

Metadata is the on-going struggle. For the past couple of years, I make very sure to get the
metadata right at the time of ripping, which involves not only correcting all the stupid errors that
come from group-sourced, poorly-edited stuff like Gracenote and freedb, but also fixing things after
ripping, using Tag&Rename. It's worth it to me to have things like a song's year of original release
right, so I put in the effort. Fixing the metadata at time of rip is equally easy although not
exactly the same in either Exact Audio Copy or dBPowerAmp CD Ripper (which I prefer, for a number of
reasons). AccurateRip, available with both, is evolving into a superb quality control tool. Due to
the built-in user feedback, it gets better on every rip of every user, and I'm happy to share data
with it in order to get the benefit of knowing that I've got that CD into my hard drive without
audible errors.

Unfortunately, most of the CDs I ripped prior to a couple of years ago, I didn't pay as close
attention to metadata, so I have a nice long on-going project of fixing all of this. I also have to
spend some time with Tag&Rename every time I download HDTracks files, because they are using the
same sloppy and inconsistent metadata that the record companies grab and then provide Amazon and
HDTracks and everyone else. I think I mentioned this before, but at least one very large record
company has a policy not to accept CD masters with CDText metadata, so they by policy choice
completely cede all metadata control to outsiders. I think the other very large company doesn't
encourage CDText, but also doesn't refuse a master with it.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard L. Hess" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] separating tracks using Sound Forge 9 or 11.


>I agree with Tom! RIPPING the CD with something like Exact Audio Copy is actually safer as you know
>you've got errors (or not) whereas if you stream the audio, you don't know without listening.
>
> My son Robert and I have ripped something over 14,000 tracks and some of the rips are full
> operas/operettas (or at least acts thereof) and one or two an un-cut album. We have almost 1300
> folders, each representing an album although we have a hierarchy so maybe it's 1000+ CDs and the
> rest from other sources (from LP, cassette, HD Tracks, iTunes, etc., but the vast majority were
> CDs and probably at least half from the generous "big box" sets including RCA Living Stereo I,
> Mercury Living Presence 1, 2, and 3, Philips Classics, Eminence Classics, A Baroque set, and more.
> Folk music was mostly from CDs including just about complete discographies of Joan Baez and Judy
> Collins and several others. We ripped to FLAC and then I have produced in Samplitude a complete
> set of 128 kb/s MP3s of the whole thing (doubling the above file counts). With judicious editing
> (like only one Messiah, not three, and one version of Tannhauser, not three and only one version
> of some of the problematic folk albums) the whole collection fits on a 64 GB micro SD card in my
> phone.
>
> Anyway, it was a LOT of work and not all the metadata is correct, but it's close enough and for me
> to have my 1200 favourite recordings at my fingertips, it was worth it to me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> On 12/15/2015 11:42 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
>> I don't understand why you want to do this project this way. Just pay
>> someone to sit at a computer and rip the CDs into the hard drive using
>> either Exact Audio Copy or dBPowerAmp CD Ripper. It will take someone
>> about a week to do 200 CDs, maybe less if the discs aren't in bad shape
>> and can thus rip at maximum speeds. Set a person up with 2 or 3
>> computers and someone with mad skills can get this done in 2-3 days.
>> You'd then need to combine the contents of all the rips into one place
>> (do not rip across a network unless you want SLOW ripping speeds).
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Roth" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 11:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] separating tracks using Sound Forge 9 or 11.
>>
>>
>> Thank you, Lou!
>> Wish me luck in finding it.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lou Judson
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 10:53 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] separating tracks using Sound Forge 9 or 11.
>>
>> The now obsolete Peak on Mac does that. I keep a legacy version for that
>> reason among others. It isn't hard, so there should be something that
>> will do it on Windows!
>> <L>
>> Lou Judson
>> Intuitive Audio
>> 415-883-2689
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2015, at 6:16 AM, James Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> I WAS HOPING there was a command in Sound Forge to separate the tracks
>>> automatically if there was 3 or more seconds of silence.
>>> Wouldn't that be nice?
>>
> --
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