And that agrees with what Tom Null told me.

If anyone knows differently for sure, I would love to know that.

Best,
John Haley


On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:41 PM, David Lewis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Steve,
>
> This timeline doesn't fit. The Remington vault was seized by the FBI after
> 1980, and subsequently destroyed. That's been checked.
>
> best.
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't know about the "seized by the government" for the Remington
> > masters.
> >
> > In 1967 or 8, I worked on a film soundtrack which led me to a recording
> > studio in NYC on the west side in the high 40s or low 50s- don't remember
> > exactly.
> >
> > While patrolling the halls, I saw a long line of Remington 10" reels
> > shelved at floor level- maybe 10 feet of them, anyway, a substantial
> > number. I was told they were being stored there but got no further
> info.
> >
> > Dunno how this fits into the time line as to when or if they were seized.
> >
> > Remington pressings appeared periodically, later labels, as "specials" at
> > Record Hunter stores. I assume the metal masters for these issues and
> the
> > location of these tapes were connected. Perhaps Jay Sonin can add to
> this.
> >
> > Steve Smolian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Haley
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 1:55 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Craft Urania Ballet Mecanique
> >
> > I spoke to Tom Null (founder of Varese Sarabande) about that several
> years
> > ago, and he was vague about location of the Remington (Don Gabor) master
> > tapes but said they could not be accessed anyway as the license to use
> them
> > had expired. However, for the recordings used for those Remington
> reissues
> > by Varese Sarabande (there were about 10 of them), it appears that the
> old
> > Gabor master tapes did survive. The rest are all lost, seized by the
> > government when Remington's successor was arrested, and apparently
> > thereafter destroyed. Beyond that, no details are known about their
> fate.
> >
> > Best,
> > John Haley
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David Lewis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > "The Origin of Fire" was reissued by Varèse, and I've used a copy of
> > > their LP to play in lectures about the Cincinnati Symphony/local
> > > recording history before. I'd like a second opinion as the Varèse LP
> > > is ticky and I don't recall their releasing it on CD. Their CDs are
> > > impossible to obtain at a reasonable price these days, IMHO.
> > >
> > > Varèse reissued "The Origin of Fire" from a master provided by Don
> > > Gabor himself -- I hope that they didn't give it back!
> > >
> > > David N. Lewis
> > > Hamilton, OH
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wasn't this reissued by Varese?
> > > >
> > > > Steve Smolian
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > > > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Lewis
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:07 AM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Craft Urania Ballet Mecanique
> > > >
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you! That was exactly what I needed to know. I will probably
> > > > pick this up, as I really do need a good transfer of "The Origin of
> > > > Fire," a landmark in Cincinnati based recording as you know.
> > > > There is also this download of the original Urania tape, though as
> > > > they can't spell "Hovhaness" I don't suspect I will follow up -- I'm
> > > > not
> > > really
> > > > in the download market anyway.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Soundmark%2BRecords/48094
> > > >
> > > > The reason I asked is that I participate in a monthly "Vinyl Night"
> > > > in Cincinnati and we often memorialize music folk that have passed
> > > > in the short term. I figure there will be tons of Bowie at the
> > > > upcoming night
> > > so I
> > > > thought I'd be different and present on Boulez and Craft. Craft's
> > > > "Ballet Mécanique" is hardly the crisp and disciplined affair that
> > > > the earlier Surinach version for Columbia is, but it's still fun
> > > > listening and the airplane sounds defy description. I wanted,
> > > > though, to determine that
> > > there
> > > > was not more of the piece on the tape than there is on the LP.
> > > >
> > > > For those who might care, a few things about Urania I stumbled upon
> > > > in
> > > the
> > > > course of looking up this question. Apparently the arrangement that
> > > > Steve Smolian describes -- combining distribution with Haydn Society
> > > > -- only lasted from April-November 1955; on November 12, Billboard
> > > > announced the dissolution of their partial merger with "one of the
> > > > principals" saying
> > > "It
> > > > just didn't work out."
> > > > That doesn't mean, of course, that they didn't try again later, as
> > > > Steve suggests. However, it would've been without their president
> > > > and founder Rudolf Koppl, who died October 15, 1956. I wonder how
> > > > they managed to
> > > hang
> > > > on so long; the best known thing about them is the notorious "Urania
> > > > Eroica" which Wilhelm Furtwängler sued to suppress in 1954.
> > > >
> > > > best,
> > > >
> > > > Uncle Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:15 AM, david gideon <
> > > > [log in to unmask]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In response to the question raised earlier, I don’t know if Urania
> > > > > ever issued this on reel tape but Omega did. You can see a copy of
> > > > > the
> > > > tape here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.omegatape.us/stereo2.html#6009 <
> > > > > http://www.omegatape.us/stereo2.html#6009>
> > > > >
> > > > > There is also an mp3 clip posted. Like the LP the Omegatape was
> > > > > missing several minutes of music at the beginning. A unique
> > > > > feature of this performance was the use of actual airplane sounds
> > > > > rather than just the whirring propellors.
> > > > >
> > > > > ReDiscovery reissued this tape as part of a 20th century CD, one
> > > > > of the few titles that is not available as a download (due to the
> > > > > prohibitive costs for licensing non-PD music for download; the
> > > > > rates are much more reasonable for physical discs). It can be found
> > here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.rediscovery.us/compilations.html <
> > > > > http://www.rediscovery.us/compilations.html>
> > > > >
> > > > > dg
> > > > >
> > > > > Yesterday's music in today's sound.
> > > > > http://rediscovery.us
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>