Duane, can you back that up with some science? Scanning microscope photos of the grooves? With all
due respect, "repeatedly demonstrated by users" isn't scientific proof. I just don't believe that
you can "manually" remove the fluid and grime as well as vacuuming. That said, I do not have a
scanning microscope to prove my point.
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message -----
From: "H D Goldman" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Cleaning stylus
It has been repeatedly demonstrated by users over the past 25 years, that with adequately designed
applicators, carefully formulated cleaning solutions, & useful instructions that there is not
difference in the playback of a properly cleaning phonograph record regardless of whether manual &
vacuum-assisted fluid removal was employed.
H D Goldman Lagniappe Chemicals Ltd.
PO Box 37066 St. Louis, MO 63141 USA
v/f 314 205 1388 [log in to unmask]
> On Jan 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> By the way, I am NOT a fan of the Discwasher or similar "record cleaning brushes." They just don't
> clean out the grooves, in my experience. Only a wet cleaner with vacuum finish like a VPI or
> similar really cleans out the grooves. There is now an ultrasonic wet cleaning machine that the
> audiophile mags have raved about. I'd want to see some science (ie scanning microscope photos) to
> prove that it really cleans out a groove better than a VPI. The exception might be caked on grime,
> it's very possible that ultrasonic would blast out the grime whereas a brush and vacuum wouldn't.
> But this is not something typically found in cleaning LPs, I say that having cleaned thousands of
> LPs over the years.
> -- Tom Fine
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shai Drori" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Cleaning stylus
>> I have been using the Discwasher stylus brush that came with my kit that I
>> bought around 1986. Still works wonders.
>> Shai Drori
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>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 1:50 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Don't you have to submerge the stylus assembly in liquid to do an
>>> ultrasonic cleaning? I'd worry that they whole thing would fall apart,
>>> definitely possibility that the diamond would get rattled loose or fall off.
>>> I've used this thing for years:
>>> does remove grime that brushes won't, does not damage the stylus.
>>> Steve knows this, but to those less familiar with record playing -- the
>>> best way to preserve your stylus AND your records is to clean the records
>>> correctly before you play them.
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Smolian" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 3:28 PM
>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Cleaning stylus
>>> Has anyone cleaned styli and cantilevers ultrasonically and, if so, with
>>>> what results?
>>>> Steve Smolian