Duane, can you back that up with some science? Scanning microscope photos of the grooves? With all 
due respect, "repeatedly demonstrated by users" isn't scientific proof. I just don't believe that 
you can "manually" remove the fluid and grime as well as vacuuming. That said, I do not have a 
scanning microscope to prove my point.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "H D Goldman" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Cleaning stylus


Tom,

It has been repeatedly demonstrated by users over the past 25 years, that with adequately designed 
applicators, carefully formulated cleaning solutions, & useful instructions that there is not 
difference in the playback of a properly cleaning phonograph record regardless of whether manual & 
vacuum-assisted fluid removal was employed.

Regards,

Duane Goldman

H D Goldman Lagniappe Chemicals Ltd.
PO Box 37066 St. Louis, MO 63141 USA
v/f 314 205 1388  [log in to unmask]





> On Jan 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> By the way, I am NOT a fan of the Discwasher or similar "record cleaning brushes." They just don't 
> clean out the grooves, in my experience. Only a wet cleaner with vacuum finish like a VPI or 
> similar really cleans out the grooves. There is now an ultrasonic wet cleaning machine that the 
> audiophile mags have raved about. I'd want to see some science (ie scanning microscope photos) to 
> prove that it really cleans out a groove better than a VPI. The exception might be caked on grime, 
> it's very possible that ultrasonic would blast out the grime whereas a brush and vacuum wouldn't. 
> But this is not something typically found in cleaning LPs, I say that having cleaned thousands of 
> LPs over the years.
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shai Drori" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Cleaning stylus
>
>
>> I have been using the Discwasher stylus brush that came with my kit that I
>> bought around 1986. Still works wonders.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Shai Drori
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>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 1:50 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't you have to submerge the stylus assembly in liquid to do an
>>> ultrasonic cleaning? I'd worry that they whole thing would fall apart,
>>> definitely possibility that the diamond would get rattled loose or fall off.
>>>
>>> I've used this thing for years:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/ZERODUST-ONZOW-STYLUS-TIP-CLEANER/dp/B00ERPWAK2
>>> does remove grime that brushes won't, does not damage the stylus.
>>>
>>> Steve knows this, but to those less familiar with record playing -- the
>>> best way to preserve your stylus AND your records is to clean the records
>>> correctly before you play them.
>>>
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Smolian" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 3:28 PM
>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Cleaning stylus
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone cleaned styli and cantilevers ultrasonically and, if so, with
>>>> what results?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve Smolian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>