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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Brylawski" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Victor 31000 78s


>I just took at look at the DAHR Victor ledgers scans. There certainly may
> be errors in DAHR but I can confirm that *a lot* of masters were recorded
> on 2/9/1903.
>
> BTW, the ledgers report that the Florence Hayward "Angel's Serenade" was
> numbered C-2241.
>
> Sam
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I have 31364 - Florence Hayward-Angel's Serenade there is a distinct H
>> prefix before serial number. Above mx number with ornate C2247 there is
>> what looks like a faint D but it could be an I -Mickey
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Smolian" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:53 AM
>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Victor 31000 78s
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm researching the early Victor 12" 78s issued in the 31000 series.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There were two series of Victor single-sided black label 78s, one
>>> following
>>> immediately on the heels of the other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The first used the "C" prefix for its 12" masters and generated one
>>> metal
>>> part from the wax. These were recorded in 1902, some maybe in late
>>> 1901,
>>> and possibly extended through early 1903.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The second series used the "C" prefix for its 12" masters and generated
>>> three metal parts from the wax. These were recorded beginning in 1903.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Records from each were issued on black-label 12" single-sided discs in
>>> the
>>> 31000 series.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Victor reused at least some of the matrix numbers and some of the issue
>>> numbers for the second series of unrelated recordings made and issued in
>>> the
>>> first series.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Records in the first series, some of which had been available earlier
>>> under
>>> numbers in the 1900 and 2000 series, have no tiny letter next to the
>>> 31000
>>> number. Records in the second series have a tiny letter under or before
>>> the
>>> 31000 number. The letter indicates the stamper number converted to a
>>> letter, i.e., stamper 5 is the letter "E".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Sherman says the first 150 Victor 12" masters, first series, were
>>> held
>>> for up to a year before some were listed. Ay idea of the source of
>>> this
>>> statement?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All records I've inspected in the first series have sunken labels so no
>>> date
>>> or other recording data can be found in the label area. I'm trying to
>>> get a
>>> better fix on dates than the two given in DAHR and in Fagan and Moran
>>> before them than the two paired ones they give for far too many records
>>> for
>>> them to be recorded on the same day. Those dates are 2/9/03 and 5/26/03.
>>> Both may be incorrect, especially the 2d one, as by this time Victor had
>>> converted to the three metal part system.
>>>
>>> Can anyone shed further light on this first series? One data source
>>> would
>>> be data from test pressings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fagan and Moran and, subsequently, DAHR, also list the first series as
>>> having appeared in a November, 1903 catalog as an infirm date. If this
>>> date
>>> is correct, there would have been two records for sale using the same
>>> catalog number with different performers and titles, based on known
>>> issue
>>> dates for the second series of "C" prefixed 12" masters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope to address this puzzle group in my forthcoming talk at the ARSC
>>> Conference. Any clarifying data would be most welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Smolian
>>>
>>>
>>
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