Thank you, Bob and Greg.
On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Gene Fieg <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Just a question here. Does that instruction only apply to the work in hand?
> I thought AAPs for persons were based on the predominant usage for that
> person's works, not merely for that work "embodied in the resources." (Who
> writes like that???)
> In this case, I would use the AAP, already established and make sure there
> is a 500 in the authority record, just in case the patron searches under the
> unauthorized form of the the name, Or maybe a a 400.
> Gene Fieg
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Robert Maxwell <[log in to unmask]>
>> 22.214.171.124 doesn't state that "works with responsibility split between one
>> author's true name and pen name should be entered under the true name". It
>> says that the authorized access point is constructed by combining the
>> authorized access point for *the identity most frequently used on resources
>> embodying the work* and the preferred title. In case you can't figure that
>> out, then we are instructed to begin with the authorized access point
>> appearing in *the most recent resource embodying the work.* In neither case
>> is that necessarily the "true" name.
>> So the question is, which identity is most frequently used on resources
>> embodying "A city girl"? From what you say below, it looks like that
>> identity is "John Law."
>> I don't think RDA 126.96.36.199 justifies what LC-PSD apparently did with
>> Michael Crichton. As far as I can see neither RDA nor any policy statements
>> say what to do with statements such as "Michael Crichton writing as John
>> Lange", but 188.8.131.52, again, says that the authorized access point is based
>> on the identity used most frequently. Just because current publications
>> suddenly start explaining who John Lange is doesn't justify changing the
>> access points for the works, much less deleting the identity entirely. I'd
>> be interested in hearing from LC-PSD itself either explaining why they took
>> this seeminly extraordinary action, or saying they will restore the file.
>> My opinion about phrases such as "Michael Crichton writing as John Lange"
>> or " John Law (Margaret Harkness)": These phrases do identify the real
>> identity of a pseudonym and seem mainly used when an author has risen to a
>> point where recognition of the real identity will sell more copies than the
>> pseudonym. But in both cases the phrasing indicates that the work still
>> represents itself as being written by the pseudonym identity, not the "real"
>> identity and the information about the real name is being given as
>> information only. The principle of representation continues to apply: the
>> works should continue to be identified using the identity they represent
>> themselves by, in these cases, the pseudonym.
>> Robert L. Maxwell
>> Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian
>> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
>> Brigham Young University
>> Provo, UT 84602
>> "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves
>> to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 2:37 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: 184.108.40.206
>> Good afternoon Folks:
>> I have a case here that involves a pseudonym and may invoke the full
>> implied force of RDA 220.127.116.11 but I should check before requesting
>> n 79123172 Law, John, $d 1854-1923
>> nb2007013259 Harkness, Margaret, $d 1854-1923
>> Magaret Harkness wrote under her own name and under the pen name John Law.
>> It seems that ealier editions of thew work in hand, A city girl, simply had
>> John Law as the responsible party, though the in-hand publication has John
>> Law (Margaret Harkness), which seems to meet the inconstancy criteria of
>> 18.104.22.168. It's difficult to say for certain, but one gets the impression
>> that most everything she wrote as John law is now given the statement of
>> responsibility John Law (Margaret Harkness).
>> The Crichton qualification: the classic example of an author with
>> multiple pen names is Michael Crichton, whose authority record has a very
>> interesting 667: "Michael Crichton wrote 8 novels and 2 short stories under
>> the name John Lange; these have been reissued with the statement "Michael
>> Crichton writing as John Lange"; per RDA 22.214.171.124 the authorized access
>> point for these works is Michael Crichton. The alternate identity authority
>> record for John Lange has been deleted--LC-PSD, August 14, 2014."
>> As is, 126.96.36.199 states unequivocally that any works with responsibility
>> split between one author's true name and pen name should be entered under
>> the true name: not Law, John, [dates]. $t City girl ..., rather Harkness,
>> Margaret, [dates]. $t City girl ... .The Crichton qualification takes this
>> to its logical conclusion, but isn't stated explicitly in RDA so far as I
>> can tell.
>> My question to you all: a record for Harkness and Law, or one record where
>> Law is a cross reference to Harkness?
>> Bob Talbott
>> Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger
>> UC Berkeley
>> 250 Moffitt
>> Berkeley, CA 94720
>> יול נא מי באי מאי בלאק טעלעסקאפ
Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger
Berkeley, CA 94720
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