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Re: [FWD: Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSCLIB: The ARSC Library and Archives Electronic Discussion List]

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"Casey, Michael T" <[log in to unmask]>

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The presence of a second list doesn't have to divide us any more than the concurrent sessions at the annual conference has to divide us. These can be viewed as serving a diverse membership and encouraging diverse voices. They are ways to focus and target issues and discussions. They are ways to encourage participation and enable new voices to emerge. Indeed, the concurrent sessions at the conference have partly sustained my attendance as I can be confident that I will learn something and that I will not hear the same voices over and over again.

Here are some of the reasons why I think a second list is needed:

1. The ARSC list addresses valuable topics but features many topics that are not of interest to institutional librarians, archivists, and media preservationists. I often hear from colleagues that there is a lot of noise and chatter on the ARSC list. The combination of these two issues leads many folks to either tune out or simply get off the list.

2. Many people are intimidated by the ARSC list. Whether that is due to the technical expertise represented on the list or the sheer volume of responses and extended discussions that many topics elicit, I can't say.  Regardless of the reasons, it's not working – institutional librarians and archivists are largely not participating.

3. I believe there is clearly a need for institutional librarians and archivists to create a space in which to address their own issues with their own peers. These issues are often quite different than the types of things that come up on the ARSC list.

Despite the stereotypes of librarians found in Karl's email response, I find that there is often a high level of technical expertise among librarians, archivists, and media preservationists. I count myself in that group but I also find that young people coming out of the MIAP program or some library schools are way more technically savvy than I am. Over the last few years we have seen a number of these new practitioners enter the field in media preservation/media librarian positions at various universities.
 
I think that Mike Biel makes an important point that there is much to be learned from the different constituencies within ARSC. There is no reason why that cannot continue. However, it is not the only consideration that is valid.

I encourage us all to suspend judgment in the face of no real evidence. I encourage us to consider intentionally stepping back so that new ideas and voices can emerge. I encourage us to consider how multiple, alternate paths can contribute to a stronger whole. I think we should not be so afraid of change.

Mike

------------
Mike Casey
Director of Technical Operations
Media Digitization and Preservation Initiative
Indiana University
812-855-8090

https://mdpi.iu.edu/




-----Original Message-----
From: ARSC Library and Archives Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael Biel
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:00 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [FWD: Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSCLIB: The ARSC Library and Archives Electronic Discussion List]


For those of you on ARSCLIB and are avoiding the discussion on ARSCLIST, here are my comments as a 45 year-long ARSC member and former president:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSCLIB: The ARSC Library and Archives Electronic Discussion List
From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, March 31, 2016 5:34 pm
To: [log in to unmask]

Wendy wrote: 
> ARSC conference programs have long been "separated" into concurrent 
> sessions, with the understanding that anyone attending the conference 
> was/is welcome to attend any program they like, whether in the realm 
> of collecting or metadata, research or technical sound preservation. Have there been accusations of a silo-mentality with this arrangement? I haven't heard any.

Wendy, if you have not heard of any then you have not been paying attention. Those of us who have been there from the beginning -- as you will hear at the 50th anniv presentation -- envisioned from the start that ARSC would bring TOGETHER the Institutional collector curators, WITH the USERS. The move to concurrent sessions at the conference INFURIATED many of us. I designed and ran five conferences and know that it can be done without splitting the group up into two. The weakness that was perceived at the founding of ARSC was that too many of the institutional curators were not interested in or knowledgeable about the CONTENT of the recordings, and the interests and needs of the researchers. I am not saying all of them, but some. And many of the users and researchers did not understand how and why the institutional collections operated. But for the first thirty or so years we ALL got greater understanding of ALL the areas of each others knowledge and interest by attending ALL of the sessions. And that included the AAA presentations and resulted in a much stronger Rigler-Deutsch Record Index because the collectors and users were included. But for the years we have been bamboozled into unnecessarily having concurrent sessions I have seen the split re-emerging. And this split of lists is the iceing on the cake and waving the white flag of surrender. Yes, we all CAN partake of both lists, but those who wish to AVOID learning about the interests, knowledge, attitudes, and needs of the other "side" can avoid any interaction. In the last five years I have seen the split of the people at the conference into two groups. I see little interaction among the "content" people and the "metadata" people except for some of the older institutional people who were there when the word metadata hadn't been invented yet and ARSC was a unified whole. This grieves me.

Mike Biel [log in to unmask] 

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ARSCLIST] ARSCLIB: The ARSC Library and Archives Electronic Discussion List
From: "Sistrunk, Wendy" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wed, March 30, 2016 2:25 pm
To: [log in to unmask]

Hey, All,

There appears to be assumptions/misunderstandings flying all over the place with what appears to be a shocking introduction of this new listserv. Jenny Doctor and others (including myself) have been in discussion for several years now on reformulating/reviving the AAA. One of the first steps was communication with those in ARSC who wanted to have a venue for same - thus the open, unmoderated listserv. We met in an open meeting in Chapel Hill, I believe. Anyone could attend and anyone can join ARSCLIB, whose purpose is somewhat narrower that the ARSCLIST.

ARSC conference programs have long been "separated" into concurrent sessions, with the understanding that anyone attending the conference was/is welcome to attend any program they like, whether in the realm of collecting or metadata, research or technical sound preservation. Have there been accusations of a silo-mentality with this arrangement? I haven't heard any. 

The "guess" that librarians/archivists "in the position of dealing with archives have no interest in the source for a reissue of a particular recording. Nor do they have interest in things like restoration. These are subjects which often figure into the discussions on the ARSClist. I would also wager that the bulk of the technical discussions on the ARSClist are far beyond the comprehension of most librarians" besides being outright wrong is also frankly insulting. Why go there? Many of us do indeed have subject specialized knowledge in music/spoken word/field recordings/preservation, etc., etc. with actual degrees in same, in addition to degrees in library science/archives management. 

Doesn't matter though. Join ARSCLIB, and be part of the conversations on metadata, RDA, administration, fund-raising, space-planning, reference, access, preservation, conservation, grants, and the myriad specific requirements of sound recording archives/libraries/public collections. I for one will continue to be part of the ARSCLIST, as well.

Can we all join hands and sing now?

Best,
Wendy
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rodriguez, Sandy
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:53 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSCLIB: The ARSC Library and Archives
Electronic Discussion List

Agree with Sam here. Jenny Doctor may chime in as the person who
initiated this effort, but one could simply see this as reviving the AAA
- Associated Audio Archivists message board and moving it to another
platform - from moderated web-based forum to unmoderated listserv.
Again, the intention is not to exclude anyone from the list, but to
narrow the focus of the discussion. There is value in both listservs.

Sandy

--
Sandy Rodriguez
ARSC Online Media Committee, Co-Chair


-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sam Brylawski
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:09 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSCLIB: The ARSC Library and Archives
Electronic Discussion List

I don't understand the issue here, Tom. Both lists are open to everyone.
The new one is intended to concentrate on issues of specific interest to
those of us who work for institutions, but it's open to all.

Sam Brylawski

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> According to Bill Klinger's earlier post:
>
> "ARSC would like to thank Jenny Doctor for spearheading the creation 
> of ARSCLIB. We also wish to thank Matthew Barton, Bryan Cornell, and 
> the ARSC Online Media Committee. And as always, we thank the Library 
> of Congress for hosting our listservs."
>
> So hopefully Jenny Doctor, Matt Barton or Bryan Cornell will answer 
> some of these questions.
>
> One man's opinions -- I think it's generally not a good idea to split 
> off conversations within an organization, because it leads to 
> divisions, rivalries and discontentment. All of this is just human 
> nature. No one wants to think discussions are going on behind their 
> back, or that others within an organization have some "secret mood 
> ring" entitling them to separate knowledge from everyone else. Even if 
> discord and tribalism is not the intended consequence, it will be the 
> actual outcome. Do we really want a bunch of "stovepipes" within ARSC?
> Does that track with the original founding intentions?
>
> Regarding Karl's post, if "content" is not part of being a librarian, 
> then what exactly is the job description? Is not the purpose of 
> archiving and accessability the underlying content? Even if a 
> librarian/archivist is job-centered on organization, classification, 
> preservation and similar "process," wouldn't they, as a curious human 
> being, wish to learn as much as possible about the content on which they are performing these processes?
> Perhaps I'm being naive here?
>
> Finally, since we are an organization centered around Recorded Sound 
> Collections, don't we all wish to know about, talk about and share 
> knowledge about recorded sound? And is not recorded sound, inherently, 
> "content"?
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Miller" < 
> [log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSCLIB: The ARSC Library and Archives 
> Electronic Discussion List
>
>
>
> While I am not one who expressed interest in such a list, I can see it 
> as a logical development. Librarians and archivists are increasingly 
> less interested in "content" than they are in the "how to." Consider 
> the nominee for the head of the Library of Congress. In the past, that 
> position was held by a scholar, someone who had an interest in 
> content. The nominee is a public library librarian.
>
> My guess is that most in the position of dealing with archives have no 
> interest in the source for a reissue of a particular recording. Nor do 
> they have interest in things like restoration. These are subjects 
> which often figure into the discussions on the ARSClist. I would also 
> wager that the bulk of the technical discussions on the ARSClist are 
> far beyond the comprehension of most librarians. While those who join 
> the new list might have interest in the "how to," I can't see anyone 
> straight out a library school having any notion of even something as 
> basic as an equalization curve. While they might outsource their 
> digitization, they are not likely to be in a position to evaluate the quality of the work.
>
> A new list, devoid of any issues of "content" could be seen as a 
> possible attempt bridge some of the gap in the education of librarians 
> and also demonstrate the need for specialized education in library schools.
>
> I will be most interested to see what is posted on the new list.
>
>
> Karl
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:28 PM, Hugh Paterson III < 
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> Ditto @Tom,
>
> Sure there is a lot of chatter about things I am not interested in, 
> but I have one location to go to to ask my questions.
>
>
> - Hugh Paterson III
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> I am curious about the background on this new list. Perhaps some of 
> those
>> "increasing expressions of interest" members could chime in? I 
>> thought the whole purpose of ARSC, and the ARSC List, was to bring 
>> librarians in contact with those who have expertise in the content 
>> which they oversee, as well as to connect collectors and scholars 
>> with those who oversee archives and collections which will aid in 
>> their education, research and other information-gathering. Why 
>> segregate the parts of ARSC? Doesn't that inevitably predict 
>> organizational cleavage? And don't librarians already have one or 
>> more librarian-specific organizations with their own message boards 
>> and e-mail lists?
>>
>> Bottom line, I'm wondering, why an isolation booth in the big tent?
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Georgitis" < 
>> [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:19 PM
>> Subject: ARSCLIB: The ARSC Library and Archives Electronic Discussion 
>> List
>>
>>
>> -- INTRODUCING ARSC'S NEW LISTSERV: ARSCLIB --
>>
>> ARSCLIB: The ARSC Library and Archives Electronic Discussion List
>>
>> In response to increasing expressions of interest by ARSC members for 
>> an additional listserv to facilitate information sharing on topics 
>> specifically related to audio preservation and archiving, ARSC is 
>> pleased to announce ARSCLIB!
>>
>> ARSCLIB has been created to be a forum for discussing issues of 
>> concern to individuals who are responsible for caring for recorded 
>> sound collections within institutions. The discussions are expected 
>> to have a narrower professional focus than the main ARSCLIST, e.g., 
>> members may ask for advice or share current best practices with 
>> respect to environmental conditions storage, collection policies and 
>> deaccessioning, cleaning and digitization practices, digital 
>> archiving, outsourcing, metadata collection, cataloging practices, 
>> streaming delivery, professional conferences and workshops, and other 
>> issues that specifically concern the care of collections held within 
>> institutions.
>>
>> To Subscribe to ARSCLIB:
>> 1. Send an email to: [log in to unmask] 2. Leave the 
>> "Subject:" blank 3. As the body of the message, enter: subscribe 
>> arsclib 4. Following this text, enter your name (e.g., "subscribe 
>> arsclib Joe H.
>> Smith")
>> 5. Send the message normally and you will be subscribed to the list. 
>> Only subscribers may post to the list.
>>
>> For full details about ARSCLIB and ARSCLIST, please go to:
>> http://www.arsc-audio.org/listservs.html
>>
>> ARSC would like to thank Jenny Doctor for spearheading the creation 
>> of ARSCLIB. We also wish to thank Matthew Barton, Bryan Cornell, and 
>> the ARSC Online Media Committee. And as always, we thank the Library 
>> of Congress for hosting our listservs.
>>
>>

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