You might also try the recording by Golovanov from 1948 that was part of EMI's Great Conductors of the Century series. As usual for this conductor, it's a bit wild and wooly, but the big surprise comes near the end when he substitutes Tchaikovsky's quotation of the Tsarist hymn "God Save the Tsar" with a quote from a chorus in Glinka's "Ivan Sussanin". It's jarring but fascinating, as Golovanov's conducting tended to be.-Larry
On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 4:42 PM, Dave Burnham <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
The Dorati is certainly impressive and very well recorded, especially considering that it's around 60 years old, however I feel the mikes were over taxed slightly by the cannon shots - you often hear a double bang, as if the diaphragm "bottomed". I don't know what mikes they used for that, but from the commentary, I assume they used their usual mikes. I know I wouldn't put my AKG 414s within a country kilometre of a firing cannon. But besides all that, I have always loved this recording and, in fact, listened to it just yesterday.
My two favourite 1812s are Colin Davis on Philips, (but certainly not the SACD reissue on Pentatone; that's the only SACD I've ever returned because it was so bad sounding); my other favourite is the one included in Reader's Digest "Festival of Light Classical Music", I think conducted by Alexander Gibson, but I'm not sure.
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> On Jun 7, 2016, at 4:09 PM, James Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thanks, However............... for the 1812, I'm a fan of the Dorati with real canons and carillon bells.
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> And from out in left field we have Nicolai Golovanov, recorded c.1948 in not very good sound, but still. . .
> For a real taste of the man's mastery, however, consider his 1812 Overture.
> It will never be the same for you afterwards. Think: 1812 was the year that Napoleon stormed the gates and his battle song is the Marseillaise. Is that something you want to hear when you're trapped inside? No! So instead of rendering it prettily, as in all other performances, Golovanov makes the tune properly threatening. You can watch the hair on your arms stand up!
> But: At one point he interpolates the Internationale, in a bow to his bosses. Oh well.
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:46 PM, James Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> I'm listening to the Odd Gruner-Hegge on Youtube right now.
>> I hope I like his interpretation.
>> Ben Roth
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>> Tchaikovsky like Koussevitzky?
>> That might be Odd Gruner-Hegge, with Marche Slave as a filler.
>> robert berkman, mojave desert us
>>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Dave Burnham <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Excellent recommendations, particularly the Mravinsky. When I was a
>> I was impressed by the 5th and 6th on Camden LPs, perhaps performed by
>> the Oslo Phil. I'm going to dig through my basement and listen to them
>> again to see if they still impress me; it's easily 50 years since I last heard them.
>>> I have always heard a cymbal crash in the last movement, in my mind,
>> course, it's not really there, but imagine my surprise when recently I
>> was listening to the Toronto Symphony recording under Ernest MacMillan
>> and there was a cymbal crash, three beats earlier than where I
>> imagined it. I think my spot is marginally better, but still.....!
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>>>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Dennis Rooney
>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Dear Ben,
>>>> The Tchaikovsky Fifth rarely fails to make a strong impression at
>>>> first hearing, so your preference for Koussevitzky's BSO RCA Victor
>>>> recording isn't surprising, although I must add that that recording
>>>> usually does not lead any list of best recorded versions, nor for
>>>> that matter does the Bernstein. You might investigate those of Igor
>>>> Markevich, Yevgeny Mravinsky, Pierre Monteux, Artur Rodzinski,
>>>> Valery Gergiev, and, if you accept their mannerisms, Leopold
>>>> Stokowski and
>> Willem Mengelberg.
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 2:12 PM, James Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> Hello everybody.
>>>>> The first time I ever heard the 5th of Tchaikovsky was on a
>>>>> recording of Koussevitzky and the BSO - a 45 RPM box set.
>>>>> That rendition has stuck with me (it's my favorite) and I've yet
>>>>> to hear anyone - even Bernstein - conduct with S.K.'s rubatos,
>> creshendo's, etc.
>>>>> I wish there were. While S.K.'s rendition is my favorite by far,
>>>>> it's lacking in the clarity of later technology.
>>>>> The live ones are a little clearer than the 1946 studio
>>>>> recordings, but still...................
>>>>> If I had the funds, I'd hire the BSO to study his recording and
>>>>> then play it back exactly that way.
>>>>> Is that silly?
>>>>> Ben Roth
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