LISTSERV mailing list manager LISTSERV 16.0

Help for ARSCLIST Archives


ARSCLIST Archives

ARSCLIST Archives


[email protected]


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Monospaced Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

ARSCLIST Home

ARSCLIST Home

ARSCLIST  June 2016

ARSCLIST June 2016

Subject:

Re: Does anyone (has anyone ever) conducted Tchaikovsky like Koussevitzky?

From:

Karl Miller <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Karl Miller <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:49:40 +0000

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (120 lines)

Back when I was working on my doctorate in music (in the 70s) we used to have a joke about, "Tchaikovsky's anonymous." If you found yourself wanting to listen to some Tchaikovsky, you could call up a friend and they would talk you out of it. In those days, Tchaikovsky was given as much respect as film music...it was considered beneath the dignity of any self-respecting music student to admit you liked either. His music was never studied in my musicology classes, and I never mentioned his name in the classes I taught..nor was film music. Yet, every instrumentalist had to know the repertoire for auditions and every piano major had to learn the First Concerto.
Even with such indoctrination, I must admit that I find the 6th to be one of the great masterpieces of music. I dread the thought of hearing the 5th again. Same things with Carmina Burana. You can check the "playlists" of the Symphony Orchestra League. The 5th is still heard with some frequency. 
Karl

    On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 1:34 AM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 

 It is always a fun exercise to hear, many years later, a recording you grew
up with, and see if you still love it the same as before.  Sometimes your
first impressions are happily confirmed, sometimes not.  I haven't done
that in this case, but the first recording I knew of Tchaikovsky's 5th Sym
was the Columbia 78's of Ormandy conducting the Philadelphia Orchestra.
Ormandy's early recordings could be stupendous performances, unlike at the
other end of his long career.  That's one I sure would like to hear again.
I will hunt for it.

I am another great admirer of Mravinsky's Tchaikovsky Symphony recordings
(both mono and stereo), as well as those of Markevitch.  I also had
Monteux' BSO stereo LP of the 5th Symphony as a teenager, and I have to
confess that many of Monteux's recordings have not stood the test of time
that well with me, including this one.  The performance is well played by
the BSO but just lacks fire.

For Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony, it is really hard to beat Giulini's EMI
recording with the Philharmonia Orchestra.  It has great sound on CD.  Now
I'll have to dig that one up and listen to it again.

Come to think of it, I have not encountered Tchaikovsky's great symphonies
very much on live concerts in recent decades.  Is it possible that they
have somewhat fallen out of favor?  Decades ago I did hear Haitink conduct
the Tchaikovsky 4th Symphony in Carnegie Hall, and (sorry, Steve), was that
ever a soggy, uninspired performance.

Best,
John Haley











On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> My personal favorite of T5 is none of the above but Haitink, A Con O on
> Philips 6500 922.  I also love the sound. I've large file of those 6500xxx
> Philips of the Concertgebouw on Dutch or other good pressings. I'd be
> interested in s similar version but with the old-fashioned Russian horn
> sound.  I recall some of Rostropovich's Russian opera recordings on DGG
> used this kind of orchestra.  Anyway, I think Haitink is a vastly
> underrated conductor, along with Kertesz.
>
> Steve Smolian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Richard L. Hess
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 7:40 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Does anyone (has anyone ever) conducted
> Tchaikovsky like Koussevitzky?
>
> Dear Dennis,
>
> Music is so personal and the emotion is so much a part of the listening
> experience. I recall hearing Georg Solti conducting T5 with the Chicagoans
> in the late 1970s or early 1980s. Phenomenal! Wow! I marched out of the
> concert.
>
> I just listened to the fourth movement of the Philips recording by Valery
> Gergiev from 1998 with the Vienna Philharmonic recorded live in the Grosses
> Festspielhaus, Salzburg. The applause was as I remembered it for Solti at
> Carnegie Hall. Though I had just listened to the same movement by Mravinsky
> which was probably better and didn't have the loud Bravos at the end. From
> the Philips Original Jackets CD18.
>
> The Dorati/Minneapolis T5 from the MLP3-12 set is less inspiring on many
> levels (sorry Tom). It sounds more plodding and I didn't like the sound
> quality as much (I'm not certain why as I generally like MLP recordings).
> It's not that it's bad, but if I recall correctly, it's an early recording
> and sounds it, though the Mravinsky is a fairly old recording as well, no?
>
> Thanks for the impetus to enjoy music <smile>.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
>
> On 6/7/2016 12:28 PM, Dennis Rooney wrote:
> > Dear Ben,
> >
> > The Tchaikovsky Fifth rarely fails to make a strong impression at
> > first hearing, so your preference for Koussevitzky's BSO RCA Victor
> > recording isn't surprising, although I must add that that recording
> > usually does not lead any list of best recorded versions, nor for that
> > matter does the Bernstein. You might investigate those of Igor
> > Markevich, Yevgeny Mravinsky, Pierre Monteux, Artur Rodzinski, Valery
> > Gergiev, and, if you accept their mannerisms, Leopold Stokowski and
> Willem Mengelberg.
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > DDR
> >
>
> --
> Richard L. Hess                  email: [log in to unmask]
> Aurora, Ontario, Canada                            647 479 2800
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
> Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.
>


  

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

Advanced Options


Options

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password


Search Archives

Search Archives


Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe


Archives

March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003
October 2003
September 2003
August 2003
July 2003
June 2003
May 2003
April 2003
March 2003
February 2003
January 2003

ATOM RSS1 RSS2



LISTSERV.LOC.GOV

CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager