Maybe "warm ambience" = turntable rumble?
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:02 PM, DAVID BURNHAM <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Clark et al
> Thank you for your response! I hope you're still in the vicinity to hear
> my response, (I've been away from the internet for a few days).
> I also have to disagree on both counts, my first statement is NOT a mere
> assertion, (see below), and the second IS true. I don't know what your
> background is, I worked for CBC radio music for almost 40 years. During
> that time I had many vinyl enthusiasts declaring that vinyl was superior to
> CD for the reasons expressed previously; so I undertook an experiment - a
> blind test, (not double blind since I obviously knew what they were
> listening to). I was in a CBC studio and had a few vinyl enthusiasts to
> listen to comparisons. Unknown to them, I WASN'T comparing LPs to CDs, but
> LPs to their master tapes; since these were my own recordings I had access
> to the master analog tapes. The material I used included a Beethoven
> String Quartet, a Mozart Wind Serenade, a Choral work and a World famous
> soprano soloist. In the case of the last example, a concert was recorded
> and subsequently, permission was received to release it on LP. So in this
> case, the original first generation master tape was recorded at 7 1/2 ips.
> When we mastered it for LP, I dubbed that tape to a 15 ips tape for editing
> and mastering. For the comparison, I used this 15 ips tape, not the
> original 7 1/2 ips master. As you can probably guess, the candidates
> INVARIABLY chose the LP which had audible surface noise as sounding
> superior to what they thought was a CD but was in fact the master analog
> tape. In one case, one of the "victims" said, "You can hear the warm
> ambience as soon as the stylus touches the disc."
> I rest my case - at least until someone chooses to argue it.
> On Friday, August 26, 2016 3:48 PM, Clark Johnsen <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> To David Burnham:
> A nay and a yay:
> * This "ambience" is nothing more than the sound of stylus against groove
> walls - it has nothing to do with the original recording. I have no doubt
> that these enthusiasts would prefer the sound of an LP to the sound of the
> master tape from which it was made.*
> Beg to differ with both parts. The first is a mere assertion, the second is
> simply untrue.
> * Many if not most 78s from the pre-tape era are also direct to disc
> recordings so if you have a good copy and good equipment to play it on, a
> 78 will give better reproduction than any subsequent mastering efforts.*
> Quite right!
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:39 PM, DAVID BURNHAM <[log in to unmask]>
> > I think the question comes down to do you want reasons to keep CLASSICAL
> > vinyl, as opposed to other genres on vinyl or reasons to keep classical
> > VINYL as opposed to CDs or whatever. As all collectors know, there are
> > those who worship vinyl as a medium and feel that it is so superior to
> > other media, and those who think those collectors should belong to the
> > earth society of audio. Vinyl DOES have its advantages, mainly that the
> > highest frequency harmonic content is more accurately reproduced than on
> > CDs; this is because the highest frequency harmonic content is so low in
> > level compared to the main body of the audio signal and therefore there
> > very few bits available to accurately reproduce it. It is in this area
> > that SACDs are so superior. Many vinyl enthusiasts love the "ambience"
> > around the music that is missing on CDs. This "ambience" is nothing more
> > than the sound of stylus against groove walls - it has nothing to do with
> > the original recording. I have no doubt that these enthusiasts would
> > prefer the sound of an LP to the sound of the master tape from which it
> > made.
> > As opposed to many 78s, the main characteristic of LPs that lowers their
> > status as a medium is that, aside from the few direct to disc recordings
> > that have come out, they are all two or more generations removed from the
> > master recording and it is that master that, as long as it's preserved,
> > will keep the recordings alive. Many if not most 78s from the pre-tape
> > are also direct to disc recordings so if you have a good copy and good
> > equipment to play it on, a 78 will give better reproduction than any
> > subsequent mastering efforts.
> > db
> > On Friday, August 26, 2016 11:22 AM, Benjamin Roth <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > Greetings everyone.
> > I need some help in convincing someone to keep a collection of classical
> > vinyl.
> > ASAP!!! Please!
> > Ben Roth
> > '
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