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Subject:

Re: Caruso on Murray Hill

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Ted Kendall <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 3 Aug 2016 07:42:59 +0100

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The British label was Olympus - quite good transfers for the time, as I 
recall.


On 03/08/2016 03:12, Gene Baron wrote:
> I remember buying the Murray Hill set as a graduate student in a
> book/record store in Bloomington IN in either 1974 or 1975.  It was
> absurdly cheap, even for then.
>
> Gene
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 9:18 PM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Funny you should bring up the Murray Hill LP Caruso set, Thomas.  Several
>> of us have had a recent discussion of a new CD box set "reissue" by Bayer,
>> a German concern, of an earlier Bayer set from about 25 years ago, that was
>> one of the worst historical CD sets ever made.  It was derived from the
>> Murray Hill Caruso LPs, pushed thru No-Noise with disastrous results.  Here
>> is Gary Galo's 1990 review in the ARSC Journal:
>> ​w​
>> ww.arsc-audio.org/journals/v21/v21n2p283-289.pdf
>> <http://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v21/v21n2p283-289.pdf>
>>
>> And it has had other negative press.  Ironically, the new set sells for
>> about double the cost of the best complete Caruso set on Naxos, based on
>> Ward Marston's transfers.
>>
>> Best,
>> John Haley
>>
>>   .
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Thomas Stern <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dennis,
>>>    Interesting to know that Mendelssohn produced the Caruso set.  IIRC, I
>>> tried to obtain a copy, but RCA had suppressed it.  It was
>>> my belief that the set was a reprint of the OLYMPIC?? discs issued in
>>> England (is that true, or was it a different transfer-if so who
>>> did the engineering, was it any good????), but included extensive booklet
>>> of notes.  I think the
>>> booklet showed up on some cut-out book lists.  Rarely does the set appear
>>> on auction.  Can't be of much interest with the many CD reissues
>>> of Caruso.
>>>    Any idea how many of the Murray Hill sets actually got into circulation
>>> before being suppressed??
>>> Thanks!
>>> Thomas.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dennis Rooney
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 12:54 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The Mystery of Interloping Vox Discs
>>>
>>> In reply to Dave Lewis,
>>>
>>> "Ovation" was not a high-budget project. I was producing the Minnesota
>>> Orchestra broadcasts in those days and also producing session recordings
>> by
>>> them for Vox Productions, the proprietor of which, George H. de
>>> Mendelssohn-Bartholdy, was also responsible for the Caruso issue on
>> Murray
>>> Hill Lps, the subject of many recent posts. As I recall, he offered to
>>> supply pressings of *Petrouchka* as a promotional gesture. The first
>> disc,
>>> therefore, consisted of earlier MSO recordings as Dave notes. They were
>> all
>>> transferred by me and the tape masters were cut and pressed by Vox, if
>>> memory serves. They were the first historical recordings of the MSO to be
>>> reissued. While I repent of the quality of some of the cuts on that
>> disc, I
>>> am gratified that I was able to offer far better reissue quality on the
>>> Minnesota Orchestra's Centennial CD Collection, which I produced in 2002.
>>>
>>> Leibowitz's *Gurrelieder* is one of the best of the recordings of that
>>> work but its Vox reissue was not covered in sonic glory. Although the
>>> catalogue now has plenty of issues of it, it took several decades before
>>> another creditable recorded performance came along.
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>>
>>> DDR
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 4:46 AM, David Lewis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have here a set which my late friend Jud Yalkut was very proud to
>>>> own and never expected to find myself: Haydn Society HSL-100,
>>>> Schoenberg's "Gurre Lieder" conducted by René Leibowitz with soloists,
>>>> chorus and the New Symphony Society of Paris. Engineered by André
>>>> Charlin, copyright 1952. Or is it? The discs and booklet notes are from
>>> Vox, VBX 204, released in 1962.
>>>> One might assume that the previous owner swapped out their Haydn
>>>> Society discs and book for those of the Vox reissue, but is it
>>>> possible it was sold this way? Haydn Society having some album sets
>>>> left over which Vox cannabalized?
>>>>
>>>> Also I have a set, "Ovation," celebrating the 75th Anniversary of the
>>>> Minnesota Orchestra in 1978 and produced by a chap named Dennis Rooney.
>>>> Inside is a disc on the Minnesota Orchestra label presenting a survey
>>>> of the orchestra's recorded output ranging from 1925 to 1961, and then
>>>> a Vox disc of Skrowaczeski conducting Stravinsky and Prokofiev which
>>>> absolutely belongs to this set -- the liners are printed on the back
>>>> cover of the gatefold. Was it more economical to just use the Vox
>>>> pressing of the second disc and to concentrate the budget on the first?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Uncle Dave Lewis
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Delray Beach, FL 33483
>>> 212.874.9626
>>>


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