Hi-I have just uploaded Hear the Wind Whispering by Marian Anderson to
archive.org - I don't know how to link my track to the existing directory
for it Here's the link to my file. I transferred at 33 then corrected for
much improved sound - Mickey
https://archive.org/details/HearTheWindWhisperingHD_201705 -
-----Original Message-----
From: Brewster Kahle
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 8:54 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Great 78 Project
Yes yes yes, we would like to build a reference collection of
everything. if you have images of the labels that would help as well.
archive.org has an upload button on the homepage (it is free), and if
you put in the subject "78rpm" then we can move it into the 78rpm
collection.
if you need any help with this, please contact Jeff Kaplan [log in to unmask]
-brewster
On 5/13/17 8:05 AM, Mint Records wrote:
> Do you want releases from anywhere? I'm in the UK with a large collection
> of 78's and occasionally digitize items (I wish I had more time to do
> so!),
> but would be glad to let you have copies when I do if not already in your
> collection or better than you have already.
>
> Richard Moore
>
> On 13 May 2017 at 16:00, Brewster Kahle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> thank you, maddie. I concur-- lets see if we can get complete catalogs
>> up in some form.
>>
>> We will be digitizing 400,000 sides which is exciting. But this is
>> still only 12% of the 3 million sides that are said to have been created.
>>
>> We are looking for donations of discs to build the collections digitized
>> in this project. For those that have disc's this might be an
>> opportunity to digitize them and weave them in.
>>
>> onward!
>>
>> -brewster
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/12/17 10:48 PM, Maddie Dietrich wrote:
>>> All, I think this is all EXCELLENT and I applaud your work! My only
>>> thought, in terms of building a reference (listening) collection, is to
>> err
>>> on the side of inclusivity of content over exclusivity due to quality of
>>> transfer. Obviously your prescribed recommended tech standards are
>> STRONGLY
>>> preferred, but I wonder if something is better than nothing. This is
>> surely
>>> more a philosophical consideration, and I am sensitive to the very real
>>> concerns about poor and/or dubious fidelity diminishing the value of the
>>> collection as a viable and reputable resource. And as I dig myself ever
>>> deeper here, I think I'll stop and step out this hole and listen and
>> learn
>>> from your comments. Regardless, the project very exciting indeed.
>>> CONGRATULATIONS ALL!
>>>
>>> Maddie
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 17:47 Clark Johnsen <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>>> Right. The over-processed problem. I had forgotten that very
>>>> conspicuous
>>>> and horrid accretion. My primary concern, however, is what happens
>>>> after
>>>> the needle hits the groove. In two words, the playback quality. . .
>> before
>>>> a signal hits the processors. I've been working on this situation,
>> creating
>>>> a veritable taxonomy of proper playback, for several decades. But as
>> with
>>>> noise reduction, everyone has his own fixed ideas.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Mint Records <
>> [log in to unmask]
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What a great project. Whilst the George Blood LP transfers are
>> obviously
>>>>> well done, there does need to be some sort of quality control for
>>>> material
>>>>> sent by others. For instance I have looked for recordings on
>> Archive.org
>>>> in
>>>>> the past and found some horrible transfers often with the note "78 RPM
>>>>> record GRINDING noises is removed (with Goldwave) so that we can hear
>>>> what
>>>>> went onto the record instead of nearly a century of misuse". These
>>>>> recordings have had ridiculous amounts of noise reduction applied and
>>>> sound
>>>>> appalling. Searching http://archive.org/details/78rpm links to many
>> of
>>>>> these, along with low quality MP3's etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The minimum standard should be 44/16 flac with no restoration.
>>>>> although
>>>>> archival 96/24 is preferable.So I think what Clark was saying is very
>>>>> valid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I applaud your idea, but if not transferred professionally by someone
>> who
>>>>> knows and understands the medium to the proper standard then you run
>> the
>>>>> risk of devaluing the whole project (in my opinion)
>>>>>
>>>>> Take these two - taken at random. Both appalling transfers with all
>>>>> the
>>>>> life sucked out of them by heavy handed noise reduction and covered in
>>>>> artifacts.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://archive.org/details/GloomySunday-theFamousHungarianSuicideSong
>>>>>
>>>>> https://archive.org/details/FredAstaire-31-33
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 May 2017 at 13:32, Brewster Kahle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clark--
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are talking about the transfers quality on archive.org, may I
>>>>>> suggest you look at the ones here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://archive.org/details/georgeblood?sort=-publicdate
>>>>>> these are the ones we have transferred with George Blood and listed
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> most recently archived first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are 96KHz, 24bit deep monster FLAC files, with both EQ and Flat
>>>>>> versions, and with 4 different styli. This is to make it so we
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> alot to work with, and I hope there will be debates in the reviews as
>>>> to
>>>>>> which is better for which disc.
>>>>>> They are all recorded at 78.16rpm (I think), but if others would like
>>>> it
>>>>>> we can make the player adjustable to make it so there can be runtime
>>>>>> adjustments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are talking more philosophically about digital v physical, I
>>>>>> think of this as a reference collection, not as a full-on substitute.
>>>> I
>>>>>> hope we can use this project to research transfer techniques,
>>>>>> discover
>>>>>> 78's and experience them in new ways, and show the value in these
>> discs
>>>>>> so encourage physical AND digital preservation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -brewster
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/11/17 10:53 PM, Clark Johnsen wrote:
>>>>>>> A noble project indeed. Just two caveats. There are various ways to
>>>>> play
>>>>>>> the discs, some better than others, some very poor indeed. Are the
>>>>> latter
>>>>>>> to stand as the permanent representations? And then one must ask
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> digital medium is utterly trustworthy? And/or which "cloud"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These questions have bothered me for several decades. To my mind
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> remain unanswered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Brewster Kahle <
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today at the ARSC meeting we announced "The Great 78 Project" to
>>>>>>>> encourage preservation, research and discovery of 78rpm records.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Internet Archive, working with the Archive of Contemporary
>>>>>>>> Music
>>>>> (B
>>>>>>>> George), George Blood LP, and Coast Mastering (Jessica Thompson),
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>> now
>>>>>>>> have a project website:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://great78.archive.org/ and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://archive.org/details/78rpm where users have uploaded
>>>>> 57,000
>>>>>>>> 78's and cylinder transfers, and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we have started digitizing donated collections.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The idea is to make this a community project to help bring all of
>>>> our
>>>>>>>> collections to light and weave them into the web.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please give feedback and please join!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * *Share knowledge.* Help us improve metadata, curate the
>>>>> collection,
>>>>>>>> contact collectors, do research on the corpus, etc.
>>>>>>>> * *Include your digitized collection.* If you have already
>>>> digitized
>>>>>>>> 78s or related books or media, we’d like to include your work
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> collection.
>>>>>>>> * *Digitize your collection.* We’ve worked hard to make
>>>>> digitization
>>>>>>>> safe, fast and affordable, so if you’d like to digitize your
>>>>>>>> collection we can help.
>>>>>>>> * *Donate 78s.* We will digitize your collection and preserve
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> physical discs for the long term.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any ideas or questions: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -brewster
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Digital Librarian
>>>>>>>> Internet Archive
>>>>>>>>
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