Roberts made consumer machines, as I recall, not professional. Crown made professional recorders, and was still using pressure pads in the 1970s, if my memory is correct. Mark is right - they were extremely well built.
Gary
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I havenıt seen any mention of the Crown tape recorders - they were built like tanks. Or how about the Roberts with the ³cross-field² heads?
On 9/3/17, 11:08 AM, "Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List on behalf of Dennis Rooney" <[log in to unmask] on behalf of [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Having used two PR-10s in the late sixties, I heartily agree with Lou
>Judson's condemnation of it, electronics or no. The failure rate of
>those units matched their poor performance. The model and the almost
>coeval U-Matic mag disc machine were significant players in fatally
>damaging Amex's reputation as professional gear. They were, frankly,
>regarded as a joke.
>
>All Ampex electronics required some modification; An engineer I worked
>with built his own for use in an AG-440. Many famous recordings were
>made with the Ampex 300-2 but no nostalgia for the gear of that
>vintage, please.
>
>DDR
>
>On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Gary A. Galo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> As I said, a problematic transport. Were it not for the fact that
>>David Hancock found the electronics worthy of his own custom tape
>>recorder, I would not have mentioned it. True, he modified the
>>electronics, but David rarely used anything in stock form.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> Gary Galo
>> Audio Engineer Emeritus
>> The Crane School of Music
>> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
>>
>> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
>> Arnold Schoenberg
>>
>> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
>> Igor Markevitch
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lou Judson
>> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 7:57 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Major tape recorder brands
>>
>> Whoo, sorry, but not found in respectable studio! Wow and flutter,
>>one motor bely drive, not a studio machine. We had two in a TV studio
>>in 1969, and they were barely serviceable. In a voiceover studio, we
>>could only use it for voice, not music. Not the top of the line, even
>>worse than the Ampxs 600.
>>
>> The electronics are minor compared to the cr*ppy transport.
>>
>> Keep this in mind if you mention it in whatever you are writing. And
>>I'm mildly surprised you need to research this on THIS list! There is
>>a whole internet out there, you know...
>>
>> <L>
>> Lou Judson
>> Intuitive Audio
>> 415-883-2689
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Gary A. Galo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > There was also the Ampex PR-10:
>> >
>> > http://www.historyofrecording.com/AMPEX_PR-10.html
>> >
>> > I understand that it had a problematic transport, but excellent
>> electronics, with a simpler signal path than the 300 and 350. David
>>Hancock used modified PR-10 electronics with a 350-2 transport to
>>make his custom, 14-inch machine. The myriad recording he made with
>>this machine include the famous Rachmaninoff Symphonic Dances with
>>Donald Johanos and the Dallas Symphony for Vox/Turnabout.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Gary
>> >
>> > ____________________________
>> >
>> > Gary Galo
>> > Audio Engineer Emeritus
>>
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