Agreed.

Gary

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Gary Galo
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The Crane School of Music
SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676

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-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lou Judson
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 3:19 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] RX5, etc.

I thought we were talking about only on file. Sorry if I am mistaken, but I know only one definition in professional audio.
Matching levels betwen multiple tracks (songs) is a mastering function.
<L>
Lou Judson
Intuitive Audio
415-883-2689

On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:57 AM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Sorry, Lou, not the way I have seen "normalized" used. Perhaps that
> is related to what you are saying, if one views the exercise as
> raising all the tracks to their "max." It is about balancing the
> relative level among a number of tracks,not just raising one track to its max level.
>
> Best,
> John
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Tim Gillett
> <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> The "swish" energy is possibly full of highs and the loudest thing in
>> the recording, which is why a standard denoiser wont touch it. It's
>> looking to reduce low level sounds.
>>
>> The swish will also probably contain frequencies way above that of
>> the wanted program, as well as above human audibility.
>> For access, I'd declick and then probably subjectively filter out a
>> lot of those highs, and even lows, but without an audio sample hard to be sure.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stamler" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] RX5, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/4/2018 12:10 PM, Lou Judson wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is also possible that the clipping sounds are from overloading
>>>> the D/A, whilst the waveform is okay. It is called �intersample
>>>> peaks� and one reason I avoid normalizing. Try normalizing to -1
>>>> or -2 and see if it still sounds bad. Or, as I said, use a
>>>> look-ahead limiter, again instead of normalizing!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yet another reason why normalizing is generally a bad policy.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> <L>
>>>> Lou Judson
>>>> Intuitive Audio
>>>> 415-883-2689
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Tim Gillett
>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The crackling noises after normalising sound like clipping. You
>>>> could
>>>>> visually inspect (by magnifying) the waveform peaks both before
>>>>> and after normalising. Have you tried normalising but minus a few db's?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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