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Re: [EXT] Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSC Facebook Group?

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"Paul T. Jackson" <[log in to unmask]>

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Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:50:31 -0700

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According to the recently posted ARSC directory, there are 800 members
listed...several still from our first 10 years!

*Here is a directory of Various Audio, Film, Recording organizations
dealing with Preservation of Sound: (more than just the seven I was
thinking of.)
*

**

*https://www.loc.gov/programs/national-film-preservation-board/resources/film-preservation-and-cultural-organizations/*

**

* AV Think
Tank**https://www.beeldengeluid.nl/en/knowledge/hub/av-think-tank
<https://www.beeldengeluid.nl/en/knowledge/hub/av-think-tank>*

*this is the group trying to be an umbrella for those in the directory
above.
<https://www.beeldengeluid.nl/en/knowledge/hub/av-think-tank>*

**

*Here’s a listing of all the research projects going on:*

**

*https://www.loc.gov/preservation/scientists/projects/index.html*

**

* ARSC, IASA, AES and others are in the directory above.*

**

*Also: Am. Assoc of Public Broadcasting (AAPB)
http://americanarchive.org/ not listed in the directory yet.*


On 9/16/2018 11:40 AM, Gary Gottlieb wrote:
> Maybe at some point they will be. Facebook, for all its downside, is a
> great recruiting tool.
>
>
> Gary Gottlieb
> Co-Chair, AES Historical Committee, DC Section Secretary, and Eastern
> Region Vice President Elect, Audio Engineering Society
> Executive Director,St. Louis Audio Project
> http://stlaudio.org/
> Author, Shaping Sound in the Studio and Beyond, Recording on the Go & How
> Does It Sound Now? (Winner of the 2010 ARSC Award for Excellence in
> Historical Recorded Sound Research)
> http://stlaudio.org/gottlieb/
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Gary A. Galo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> It would be a lot more solid if they were all members!
>>
>> Best,
>> Gary
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> Gary Galo
>> Audio Engineer Emeritus
>> The Crane School of Music
>> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
>>
>> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
>> Arnold Schoenberg
>>
>> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
>> Igor Markevitch
>>
>> "If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is
>> audible,
>> on that system nothing will be audible."
>> G. Galo
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Burgess, Scott
>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 1:40 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXT] Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSC Facebook Group?
>>
>> Gary, how many subscribe to this email list? 2500 sounds like a pretty
>> solid following for a specialty FaceBook page like that. And the sort of
>> things that are getting posted there don’t detract from this list at all,
>> IMHO.
>>
>> Scott
>> ----
>> Scott Burgess | Manager of Recording Labs and Live Sound
>> Dept of Music and Entertainment Industry Studies
>> University of Colorado Denver
>> 303-315-7462 (office – please note new phone number!)
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> |
>> cam.ucdenver.edu<http://cam.ucdenver.edu/>
>>
>> [cid:443432E4-D3BB-4D13-828A-4D2AE402E939]
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Gary Gottlieb <[log in to unmask]<
>> mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>> David is correct, there is already a facebook page, but there are only
>> about 2,500 people following it.
>>
>> Gary Gottlieb
>> Co-Chair, AES Historical Committee, DC Section Secretary, and Eastern
>> Region Vice President Elect, Audio Engineering Society
>> Executive Director,St. Louis Audio Project
>> http://stlaudio.org/
>> Author, Shaping Sound in the Studio and Beyond, Recording on the Go & How
>> Does It Sound Now? (Winner of the 2010 ARSC Award for Excellence in
>> Historical Recorded Sound Research)
>> http://stlaudio.org/gottlieb/
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 12:59 PM, David Glasser <[log in to unmask]
>> wrote:
>>
>> I hate to break it to everyone, but there already is an ARSC Facebook:
>> created in 2009, and appears to be fairly active.
>>
>> David Glasser
>> Chief Engineer
>>
>> 303-247-9035
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://www.airshowmastering.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://www.airshowmastering.com/>
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> In reply to John Schroth's recent post re the
>> to-FaceBook-or-not-to-FaceBook question:
>>
>> What tender blossoms some of his respondents must be. The ARSC listserv
>> is
>> a community of adults which shares a number of common interests. Why
>> wouldn't the questions or comments of a younger person or one "from a
>> different demographic" be greeted by anything other than courtesy? Yes,
>> some extraordinarily naïve questions have been received on the list, but
>> I
>> have not noted hostility to that naïveté but rather a desire to answer
>> helpfully. Younger people should always be welcomed but not by a
>> diminution
>> in the quality of our communication. I personally do not approve of
>> anything that dilutes the community. Therefore, I do not welcome the
>> Facebook suggestion.
>>
>> DDR
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 11:04 PM John Schroth <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richard, Steve and the rest of the ARSC community.
>>
>> I have gotten quite a number of personal replies to my post stating that
>> we should have a facebook page. These were people who were not
>> comfortable with replying to my post on the ARSC list-serve for the
>> whole community to see. Two examples:
>>
>> "THANK YOU, John! I think that's the whole point of having another
>> platform for discussion-- to reach individuals of different demographics
>> who might not yet know about us who might be interested in joining".
>>
>> "Thank you, thank you, and thank you"
>>
>> These people and all the other direct replies were from younger people
>> who really felt that a facebook page was important. Most likely these
>> people followed the ARSC list-serve but felt uncomfortable posting what
>> they really felt about a facebook page, because they were new to the
>> community, or followed our list-serve because of the valuable
>> information they gained from it, but didn't feel comfortable making a
>> comment because of all the long-time experienced participants to the
>> list-serve that did not like facebook. They might have even been scared
>> of getting criticized if they supported a facebook page publicly. I
>> totally get that.
>>
>> Here's a perfect example that I shared with these people.....
>>
>> We have an exchange program here, where students studying at the George
>> Eastman Museum's Film Preservation Program, work with my company part
>> time. Most of them are interested in audio preservation as well. Most of
>> them know of and follow AMIA. None to date have heard of ARSC when they
>> first started working here. All of them use and follow facebook on a
>> regular basis. If the George Eastman Museum's Selznick School facebook
>> page "liked" the ARSC page, there's an immediate connection that all
>> these students could make with ARSC. All of them since working at our
>> place, now follow ARSC quietly.
>>
>> That's just an example.......
>>
>> Many who are getting to know ARSC - many of them younger people or
>> people who are just starting out in audio preservation or collecting,
>> may not be comfortable posting to the list-serve. It's daunting. Having
>> a facebook page where these people could connect, make friends, share
>> thoughts and ideas with each other directly, may spur them to becoming
>> more involved with the ARSC organization.
>>
>> I joined ARSC and AMIA at about the same time. I was very lucky to have
>> both ARSC and AMIA both come to Rochester, NY for their annual
>> conference within a year of each other. I greatly respect AMIA but
>> honestly, the people at the ARSC conference were much more open and
>> welcoming. Steve Smolian - you asked me to join your table for both a
>> lunch and a dinner without even knowing me. I will never forget that.
>> You were warm, friendly and made me feel a part of the group. For people
>> who are younger, an ARSC facebook page goes a long way to doing that
>> same thing. Steve, I'm totally in your camp. I would rather live in the
>> world that I grew up in, without all of this computer driven social
>> media "crap". But this is the world we live in. You have the chance to
>> become "facebook friends" with someone younger you can inspire. A
>> portion of their world includes social media and they might never
>> connect with you without something like facebook. You have the chance to
>> effect young people you would never have the chance to connect with, if
>> it wasn't for something like facebook. I can see someone new to ARSC
>> becoming your facebook friend, then asking you a question directly
>> because they were not confident enough to post the question for all to
>> see on the ARSC list-serve. You could encourage them to post their
>> question to the list-serve so that others could benefit by their
>> question and explain that you have their back, in case someone made a
>> derogatory comment on their post.
>>
>> In my world, I plan to be doing what I do for the next 10-15 years, then
>> I'm done. I love teaching young people how to work with other media
>> formats besides motion picture film. If students who work at my place
>> can take with them the unique intricacies and challenges of preserving
>> analog audio formats, they pick up skills and knowledge which gives them
>> an appreciation of the medium. They might even play an important role in
>> helping to preserve a piece of audio history in the future. I think this
>> is one of the goals that ARSC is ultimately all about. I think that
>> facebook might help bridge that gap between the "old school people" and
>> future generations that we pass our knowledge on to.
>>
>> From one of the members who loves the "old school" and is trying my
>> best to assimilate with the "new school" as best I can.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> John Schroth
>>
>> --
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>>
>> On 9/15/2018 8:15 PM, Richard L. Hess wrote:
>> Hi, Steve,
>>
>> I understand your concerns about Facebook, but, as I think I stated
>> previously, there is a whole group of people who, for whatever
>> reasons, aren't on the ARSC List. Hopefully some of us who do take
>> part in the ARSC Facebook presence, should it come to pass, will be
>> able to reach those people and perhaps bring them into the fold of
>> ARSCLIST as well for the more complete answer.
>>
>> It is organizational outreach, and I am as guilty as the next person
>> of limiting my organizational involvement based on attempting to
>> balance my priorities.
>>
>> I try to give in some way or the other to both ARSC and AES, as well
>> as the audio archiving community in general.
>>
>> Every pathway is imperfect, we must try to make use of pathways that
>> can reach the most people.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2018-09-15 7:47 PM, Steven Smolian wrote:
>> Speaking (well, typing) for myself, I fear the loss of the ARSC list
>> participants' cumulated skills and knowledge if we allow a facebook
>> presence with our imprimatur lacking some of these participants.
>> Incomplete info in often leads to misinformation out. Willfully
>> ignoring the path to otherwise available information by taking an
>> easier route that potentially avoids some of it- well, there are
>> enough examples of that in daily life. It's why we have refereed
>> journals.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Media Transfer Service, LLC
>> High Quality Conversion Of:
>> Video - Audio - Motion Picture - Still Image
>> Phone: 585-248-4908
>> Web: www.mediatransferservice.com
>> Find out what's new at MTS:
>> http://www.mediatransferservice.com/whats%20new.htm
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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