Hi Ben,

I use the cleaning products from the Disc Doctor almost exclusively and 
have great success with all of their products. That said, I don't 
remember having used the cleaning solutions on Victrolac and I don't 
have any Victrolac in my accumulation of discs. So, I would give a shout 
out to Duane Goodman and ask his advice.

Cheers!

Corey

Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
www.baileyzone.net

On 9/24/2018 11:45 AM, 6295LARGE wrote:
> Dear Dennis,
>
> I agree with all you've said, but it's a bit frustrating.
> It's not like the records are vertical cut [which I can handle], or warped
> at all.
> They look absolutely beautiful, but are giving me trouble.
> We have very good cartridges and styli and a very highly rated turntable
> and tonearm.
> I'm just frustrated and challenged and need to be victorious [if it doesn't
> kill me], *just so I can learn one more trick about transferring*.
>
> What do you suggest I use to clean those Victrolacs, if not the stuff from
> Nitty Gritty?
> I would appreciate your suggestions.
>
> Warm regards,
> Ben
>
> Lackadaisical <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lackadaisical>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 1:41 PM Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ben,
>>
>> In the interests of bringing this matter to a close:
>>
>> M-127 is Victrolac, not vinyl. So, cleaning the discs with a compound
>> formulated for vinyl may not be effective.
>>
>> Make sure to carefully inspect the stylus to determine it is free of any
>> resin. If not, you are guaranteed to have skips.
>>
>> It may be necessary to clean each disc several times to obtain a clean
>> playback. The best results can be edited together.
>>
>> HOWEVER, as others have opined, WHY BOTHER? Your own transfer can't
>> possible equal what has already been done. With respect, you lack both the
>> technical expertise and the experience in transferring disc source of this
>> type. I suggest that you focus your efforts where they can be most
>> effective.
>>
>> DDR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:26 AM 6295LARGE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Donald,
>>>
>>> How are you?
>>>
>>> Thanks for clearing that up.  It IS interesting!
>>> I still have a tracking problem which is the original reason I posted
>> here.
>>> I've tried many different styli, even LP, but they always skip.
>>> I looks like the grooves are jerky, but even if I play it at 45 or 33 so
>> as
>>> to make the jerking less violent, they stylus still jumps forward.
>>> I've cleaned them with Nitty Gritty solution for vinyl, but to no avail.
>>>
>>> The records really feel like vinyl, but the label is the scrolled red
>>> label.  It has a VE at the top and bottom.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:11 PM Donald Tait <
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>    There seems to be a bit of confusion.
>>>>
>>>>    As Dennis Rooney pointed out, the first pressings of Victor M-127,
>> the
>>>> 78-rpm issue of Stokowski's recording of Gurrelieder, were made not
>> with
>>>> standard shellac, but with the Victrolac compound (with the standard
>>> scroll
>>>> labels). I own one. If your discs play at 78 rpm, that is what you
>> have,
>>>> too. All subsequent pressings of M-127 were made of standard shellac.
>> The
>>>> version of Gurrelieder issued on the 33-1/3 rpm Program Transcription
>>> discs
>>>> in set LM-127 were also made of Victrolac, but as Rich Kaplan said,
>> that
>>> is
>>>> a separate (and very scarce) set.
>>>>
>>>>    Don Tait
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: 6295LARGE <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: ARSCLIST <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2018 12:03 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Shoenberg: Gurrelieder Stokowski vinyl 78 M-127
>>>> tracking problems
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rich,
>>>> Thanks for the email, but It's not the Vitrolac.  It's M-127 with the
>>>> scrolled red label.
>>>> I guess it was  made after they invented vinyl, but it's terrible when
>> I
>>>> try to play it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:52 PM Richard Kaplan <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>>
>>>>>  From what you describe, what you have is almost certainly the
>> Victrolac
>>>>> "Program Transcription" as Gary describes. How to tell: the album
>>> number
>>>> is
>>>>> LM-127 as opposed to simply M or DM; and, the discs have a silver
>> label
>>>> as
>>>>> opposed to the standard red label for 78s. These are not "78s" at
>> all,
>>>> but
>>>>> early long-play discs that were cut at 33.3. The set is quite rare.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for tracking, the grooves are narrower than those of regular 78s;
>> my
>>>>> copy also mistracks with a standard 78 stylus. Mark Obert-Thorn
>>>> recommends
>>>>> a 2.0 mil stylus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich Kaplan
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 9/19/2018 2:34:11 PM Central Standard Time,
>>>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hi Ben,
>>>>>
>>>>> I should have read your first sentence more carefully. What you
>>> describe
>>>>> as vinyl is actually Victrolac, a "thermoplastic resin" that Victor
>>>>> developed for the long-playing Program Transcriptions. There was
>> quite
>>> a
>>>>> bit of discussion a few weeks back about Victrolac on this list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the stylus picking up any dirt? Dennis Rooney described a problem
>>> with
>>>>> Victrolac records oozing sticky gook into the grooves. Perhaps he can
>>>>> respond and refresh our memories on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary Galo
>>>>> Audio Engineer Emeritus
>>>>> The Crane School of Music
>>>>> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
>>>>>
>>>>> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
>>>>> Arnold Schoenberg
>>>>>
>>>>> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
>>>>> Igor Markevitch
>>>>>
>>>>> "If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is
>>>>> audible,
>>>>> on that system nothing will be audible."
>>>>> G. Galo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
>>>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 6295LARGE
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:26 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Shoenberg: Gurrelieder Stokowski vinyl 78
>> M-127
>>>>> tracking problems
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gary,
>>>>>
>>>>> I never heard of Victrolac.
>>>>>   I'm sure the record is clean, because I just cleaned it.
>>>>> I cleaned it with "PURE 2 - Professional record cleaner from by
>> "Nitty
>>>>> Gritty"
>>>>>
>>>>> I has the scroll label and it feels like vinyl. Is it not vinyl?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:17 PM Gary A. Galo <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a Victrolac pressing with scroll labels, or regular
>> shellac?
>>> My
>>>>>> Victrolac copy has a lot of crud in the grooves, a problem with
>> that
>>>>>> material that was mentioned a few weeks back on this list. If this
>> is
>>>> the
>>>>>> case, the records need a good cleaning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also had, at one time, a post-war shellac pressing with RCA
>> Victor
>>>>>> labels, and a banner-style cover on the album. I've used a 2.5 mil
>> TE
>>>> on
>>>>>> both sets without problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary Galo
>>>>>> Audio Engineer Emeritus
>>>>>> The Crane School of Music
>>>>>> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
>>>>>> Arnold Schoenberg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be
>> believed."
>>>>>> Igor Markevitch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is
>>>>>> audible,
>>>>>> on that system nothing will be audible."
>>>>>> G. Galo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 6295LARGE
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:07 PM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Shoenberg: Gurrelieder Stokowski vinyl 78 M-127
>>>>>> tracking problems
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never thought I'd have tracking problems with these beautiful
>> vinyl
>>>>> 78s,
>>>>>> but i do.
>>>>>> I know they've been reissued on LP and CD, but, strange as it may
>>>> seem, I
>>>>>> need to have the 78's for transferring purposes.
>>>>>> The styli are jumping. I've even tried with a .7 mil stylus just to
>>> see
>>>>> if
>>>>>> it would track better.
>>>>>> I tried playing the records at 45 and 33, but the styli keep
>> jumping
>>>>>> forward. It looks as though the grooves are jerky while the records
>>>> look
>>>>>> brand new.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone ever come across this problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ben Roth
>>>>>> PLEASE respond to [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>
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