I say, Tim, I believe you're right. I think I got mixed up on this somehow.
I pulled out a couple of my Brunswick transcriptions using the same
announcer and the Coleman Cox disc and, yes, I think it really does
run at 33 1/3.
Sorry about all the hubbub over my mistake here.
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 8:09 PM Tim Gillett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Randy, I'm not sure which is the correct speed.
> I converted your file to the equivalent of a 33 1/3 playback and it sounded
> like it could have been the correct original speed also.
> The difference between 33 1/3 RPM and 32 RPM is less than 4% or less than
> one musical semitone. Often, especially with speech, it's not easy to
> accurately judge what is the correct speed to that degree of accuracy,
> especially if we're not familiar with how those voices sounded in real
> Here in Australia we used to have the PAL analog system of television. It
> mean that feature movies watched on tv all were played 4% fast. Often this
> wasnt noticed. But sometimes in the movie a well known musical recording was
> played (say The Beatles or Presley) and I could usually tell that it was
> playing too fast. But once the film reverted to dialogue it was hard to tell
> if it was off speed.
> If at all possible it's best to find an objective reference in the disc
> itself. We use the likely musical pitch of the instruments played, and any
> residual mains hum recorded on the disc.
> Tim Gillett
> Western Australia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy A. Riddle" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 3:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] An Odd Radio Transcription
> >I thought of that, but the bell is larger, more like a ship's bell -
> > usually these sales presentation things used something that sounded
> > like a note on a toy xylophone. There's no indication that the
> > contents are pitched at sales people necessarily.
> > But the really odd thing is the speed of the disc - all the filmstrip
> > records I've run into were 33 1/3.
> > Randy
> > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 1:53 PM Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> Hello Randy - I used to have some discs which were audio to accompany a
> >> slide film presentation for automobile sales promotion for Plymouth in
> >> about
> >> 1938. The bell was used to indicate when to advance the film to the next
> >> frame.
> >> The content of this indicate possibly some sort of sales training. The
> >> Jingle Bells intro presents a Christmas theme. Some of the lines could be
> >> used as suggestions for a sales pitch. There was some mention of spending
> >> money to be more comfortable etc. Just my 2 cents-Mickey
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Randy A. Riddle
> >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 6:39 PM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: [ARSCLIST] An Odd Radio Transcription
> >> In a few weeks on my blog, I'm going to be posting a rather odd
> >> transcription disc I ran into a few months ago.
> >> At least I think it's a transcription disc.
> >> It's a ten inch laminated Columbia pressing from Sollie & MacGregor.
> >> It's "Coleman Cox", program 11 on one side and program 12 on the
> >> other. The matrix numbers are MS-1311 and 1312. The matrix also
> >> includes the show title and number and the notations "Time 4:50" and
> >> "Time 4:51".
> >> Cox was an author from California who published some books in the
> >> 1920s. I found him in some radio listings from the NY Times and the
> >> LA Times from around 1935 where he's described as a "Philosopher".
> >> The shows are odd, in that early to mid-30s kind of way, with Cox just
> >> saying some kind of pithy proverbs with a bell sounding after each
> >> one. The theme song of the show is "Jingle Bells", oddly enough.
> >> Each show runs about five minutes with a proper intro and outro.
> >> Sounds normal for a 30's transcription so far, right?
> >> Well, here's the weird part - the disc runs at about 32 rpm. If you
> >> play it at 33 1/3, it sounds like Mickey Mouse and obviously isn't the
> >> right speed. I manually adjusted the speed when I transferred the
> >> disc so it sounded right and checked the actual speed with the RPM app
> >> on my iPhone.
> >> Anyone hear of an odd speed being used on purpose like this in the 30s
> >> for transcriptions? Was this some kind of production/mastering error?
> >> If this was intentional, perhaps to save on syndicating a five minute
> >> show on a ten inch rather than twelve-inch disc, I can't see an odd
> >> speed disc like this going over well with station engineers.
> >> When I first got the disc and previewed it, noticing I had to really
> >> dial down the speed, I thought it might have been mastered at the
> >> British Talking Book speed used about that time, but that was 24 rpm,
> >> which is much slower than what we have here.
> >> Any ideas on this oddity? I've owned a lot of transcriptions over
> >> various time periods and never run into an off-speed disc like this.
> >> Here's a link to label scans and mp3s of the content if you want to
> >> puzzle over it for a bit.
> >> https://duke.box.com/s/ioohdj1uiqifk8yfagshphqzesu1o0qy
> >> Thanks!
> >> Randy
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