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Re: An Odd Radio Transcription

From:

Tim Gillett <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Sun, 27 Jan 2019 09:08:49 +0800

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Randy,  I'm not sure which is the correct speed.

I converted your file to the equivalent of a 33 1/3 playback and it sounded 
like it could have been the correct original speed also.

The difference between 33 1/3 RPM and 32 RPM is less than 4% or less than 
one musical semitone.  Often, especially with speech, it's not easy to 
accurately judge what is the correct speed to that degree of accuracy, 
especially if we're not familiar with how those voices  sounded in real 
life.

Here in Australia we used to have the PAL analog system of television. It 
mean that feature movies watched on tv all were played 4% fast. Often this 
wasnt noticed. But sometimes in the movie a well known musical recording was 
played (say The Beatles or Presley) and I could usually tell that it was 
playing too fast. But once the film reverted to dialogue it was hard to tell 
if it was off speed.

If at all possible it's best to find an objective reference in the disc 
itself. We use the likely musical pitch of the instruments played, and any 
residual mains hum  recorded on the disc.

Tim Gillett

Perth,
Western Australia


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randy A. Riddle" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 3:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] An Odd Radio Transcription


>I thought of that, but the bell is larger, more like a ship's bell -
> usually these sales presentation things used something that sounded
> like a note on a toy xylophone.  There's no indication that the
> contents are pitched at sales people necessarily.
>
> But the really odd thing is the speed of the disc - all the filmstrip
> records I've run into were 33 1/3.
>
> Randy
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 1:53 PM Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Randy - I used to have some discs which were audio to accompany a
>> slide film presentation for automobile sales promotion for Plymouth in 
>> about
>> 1938. The bell was used to indicate when to advance the film to the next
>> frame.
>>
>> The content of this indicate possibly some sort of sales training. The
>> Jingle Bells intro presents a Christmas theme. Some of the lines could be
>> used as suggestions for a sales pitch. There was some mention of spending
>> money to be more comfortable etc. Just my 2 cents-Mickey
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Randy A. Riddle
>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 6:39 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] An Odd Radio Transcription
>>
>> In a few weeks on my blog, I'm going to be posting a rather odd
>> transcription disc I ran into a few months ago.
>>
>> At least I think it's a transcription disc.
>>
>> It's a ten inch laminated Columbia pressing from Sollie & MacGregor.
>> It's "Coleman Cox", program 11 on one side and program 12 on the
>> other.  The matrix numbers are MS-1311 and 1312.  The matrix also
>> includes the show title and number and the notations "Time 4:50" and
>> "Time 4:51".
>>
>> Cox was an author from California who published some books in the
>> 1920s.  I found him in some radio listings from the NY Times and the
>> LA Times from around 1935 where he's described as a "Philosopher".
>> The shows are odd, in that early to mid-30s kind of way, with Cox just
>> saying some kind of pithy proverbs with a bell sounding after each
>> one.  The theme song of the show is "Jingle Bells", oddly enough.
>> Each show runs about five minutes with a proper intro and outro.
>>
>> Sounds normal for a 30's transcription so far, right?
>>
>> Well, here's the weird part - the disc runs at about 32 rpm.  If you
>> play it at 33 1/3, it sounds like Mickey Mouse and obviously isn't the
>> right speed.  I manually adjusted the speed when I transferred the
>> disc so it sounded right and checked the actual speed with the RPM app
>> on my iPhone.
>>
>> Anyone hear of an odd speed being used on purpose like this in the 30s
>> for transcriptions?  Was this some kind of production/mastering error?
>>
>> If this was intentional, perhaps to save on syndicating a five minute
>> show on a ten inch rather than twelve-inch disc, I can't see an odd
>> speed disc like this going over well with station engineers.
>>
>> When I first got the disc and previewed it, noticing I had to really
>> dial down the speed, I thought it might have been mastered at the
>> British Talking Book speed used about that time, but that was 24 rpm,
>> which is much slower than what we have here.
>>
>> Any ideas on this oddity?  I've owned a lot of transcriptions over
>> various time periods and never run into an off-speed disc like this.
>>
>> Here's a link to label scans and mp3s of the content if you want to
>> puzzle over it for a bit.
>>
>> https://duke.box.com/s/ioohdj1uiqifk8yfagshphqzesu1o0qy
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> --
>>
>> Randy A. Riddle
>> Mebane, NC
>> Cool Cat Daddy Productions
>> www.coolcatdaddy.com
>> [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Randy A. Riddle
> Mebane, NC
> www.coolcatdaddy.com
> [log in to unmask] 


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