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Re: [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] George Gershwin, Second Rhapsody, Serge Koussevitzky, Boston Symphony Orchestra,

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OK, I downloaded your Dropbox file and I see what's going on here. Side B of your Canadian pressing was pressed from the wrong stamper - they pulled the metal part for the acoustic version, possibly by mistake. What's really strange is that the electric catalog number is also stamped in the run-out space. This is a real oddity. 

FYI, though you probably already know this: Canadian electric Victors in the mid-late 20s were issued with the bat-wing label They did not use the scroll label. However, the ones I own have a large VE in an ellipse printed on the label, to the left of the spindle hole, and "Orthophonic" printed under the VE. The scan of your acoustic Gershwin side does not have either of these. Are they printed on the label for Side 1? If that's the case, then it sounds like the Canadians intentionally used the acoustic take for Side 2. This is very, very strange. 

DAHR states that 35822 was "Not Issued."

https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/objects/detail/30382/Victor_35822

Of course it was, as the information listen for each matrix number clearly shows. 

Best,
Gary



-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gary A. Galo
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 6:40 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] George Gershwin, Second Rhapsody, Serge Koussevitzky, Boston Symphony Orchestra,

Your email is really confusing. Are you saying that you have a record with the electric on one side and the acoustic on the other? This makes no sense. 

My copy of the electric - 35822 - is take 6 on Side 1 and take 8 on Side 2. That record is certainly sharp when played at 78.00 RPM. 

I don't have the original of the Blue Label acoustic version (I wish I did!). 

I may have completely misinterpreted what you wrote. I don't know what to make of it. 

Gary



-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mickey Clark
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 5:51 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] George Gershwin, Second Rhapsody, Serge Koussevitzky, Boston Symphony Orchestra,

I have a misprint of side B- the pressing of 35822 was coupled with take 6 
an the A side (Electric) but no take number on the B side (Acoustic) I see 
that there were 4 takes done and

https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/matrix/detail/800004310/C-30173-Rhapsody_in_blue

It seems that the audio of this is pitched a bit too high.
I have posted the audio and label image of the record. It seems that both 
electric and acoustic had the large label - this one is small - you can 
download the wave file at the following link. This track is 4:44 and the one 
at the ADP is 4:32.

I just don't know what take I have.  enjoy!!-Mickey

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0n018lrpkmiw785/55225B%20Whiteman.zip?dl=0

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gary A. Galo
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 1:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] George Gershwin, Second 
Rhapsody, Serge Koussevitzky, Boston Symphony Orchestra,

Hi Ben,

Do you mean of Gershwin playing his own music?

Both the 1924 acoustic and 1927 electrical recordings of Rhapsody in Blue, 
with Whiteman's Orchestra, were issued in this set:

https://www.amazon.com/Historic-Gershwin-Various/dp/B00000D9VR

It’s long out of print, but there are plenty of used copies available. The 
electrical recording was conducted by Nat Shilkret, even though his name 
does not appear on the record. The American in Paris in that set, conducted 
by Shilkret "features" George Gershwin playing celeste. The transfers were 
done by Ward Marston, and are very good, with everything pitched correctly 
(unlike a 2-CD Pearl set of historic Gershwin, in which the two Rhapsody 
recordings were offered well over 1/4-step apart, on the same CD!!! Decency 
prevents me from naming the transfer engineer).

The Columbia recordings of the 3 Preludes were issued here, along with 
several other recordings of him playing:

https://www.amazon.com/Gershwins-Time-Original-Gershwin-1920-1945/dp/B00000FCKN/ref=pd_sbs_15_t_0/134-4884715-9970267?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00000FCKN&pd_rd_r=246d5b9a-a910-456f-a0a7-b9ada3b791b6&pd_rd_w=Z9Z3T&pd_rd_wg=xAAKV&pf_rd_p=5cfcfe89-300f-47d2-b1ad-a4e27203a02a&pf_rd_r=XJVHR5FP1ZBYJBFMZRW2&psc=1&refRID=XJVHR5FP1ZBYJBFMZRW2

This CD, from the 1970s, features Gershwin's Duo Art piano roll and Michael 
Tilson Thomas conducting an ad-hoc ensemble in the original Grofé jazz band 
orchestration.

https://www.amazon.com/Gershwin-Rhapsody-Blue-Masterworks-Expanded/dp/B0001ENYGC/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2RDKRNLS83A4V&keywords=michael+tilson+thomas+gershwin&qid=1573248734&sprefix=gershwin+tilson%2Caps%2C163&sr=8-4

Gershwin's Duo Art roll was of the version for piano alone, but the 
orchestra parts were edited out of the roll, leaving only the solo part 
intact, for this recording.  Although reproducing piano rolls are often of 
limited value, this venture is surprisingly successful. And, it's the only 
way you'll hear Gershwin play the Rhapsody, with jazz band, uncut. Both of 
the recordings with Whiteman's Orchestra are cut, to fit the piece on two 
78-rpm sides.

Back in the 1970s Publisher's Central Bureau in Avanel, NJ issued a 3-LP set 
on the Mark 56 label of live and rehearsal material with Gershwin playing 
and conducting. The box was titled "George Gershwin Conducts." I believe 
Mark 56 had previously released this material as 3 separate LPs. I'm sure 
some of this stuff has been bootlegged on CD, but I don't know where, at 
this point in time.

I hope this is what you're looking for.

Best,
Gary



____________________________

Gary Galo
Audio Engineer Emeritus
The Crane School of Music
SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676

"Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
Arnold Schoenberg

"A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
Igor Markevitch

"If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is audible,
on that system nothing will be audible."
G. Galo

-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List 
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 6295LARGE .
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 3:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] George Gershwin, Second Rhapsody, Serge 
Koussevitzky, Boston Symphony Orchestra,

Hello everyone,
Are there any recordings anywhere of George Gershwin
<https://www.universitypressscholarship.com/search?f_0=keywords&q_0=George
Gershwin>, Second Rhapsody
<https://www.universitypressscholarship.com/search?f_0=keywords&q_0=Second
Rhapsody>, Serge Koussevitzky
<https://www.universitypressscholarship.com/search?f_0=keywords&q_0=Serge
Koussevitzky>, Boston Symphony Orchestra?
<https://www.universitypressscholarship.com/search?f_0=keywords&q_0=Boston
Symphony Orchestra>

Regards,
Ben Roth 

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