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ARSCLIST July 2020

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Re: [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] Comments on the open letter

From:

Annie Stanfield-Hagert <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 20 Jul 2020 14:21:40 -0400

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TWO CENTS

I was thrilled that at the last meeting I attended (Baltimore with a shout
out of  thanks to Dave Sager.) I met many new young peoples of all races
and proclivities, of all sexes. and nationalities.... each with their
beloved devotion to picayune music, archival work, research and history..
..LOVED IT.
... I thought, that as one of the fuddy duddys, once married to one of the
old white guys who was also a fuddy duddy music nut and scholar
 "SOME OF THEM AT THE TOP  has had  the wisdom to invite, reinforce, herald
and sometimes fund new comers of all kinds!!"
 hurrah!
The smart and fizzy latest generation of music lover, archivist, researcher
and historian were here.. showing thier stuff.... Even if some of their
stuff made us uncomfortable......... The mentoring, the women and diversity
focus represented  many who, though they may have been invited to the table
always, were now fully there..
 I thought      "This fusty but important group may survive this new energy
in our world."
 and a good thing too.

 Many associations do not. They crumble with flustering rigidity and fear
and confusion as membership declines.
 I hope we dont.
 At the last meeting, while attending subgroup meetings, I saw many agendas
that were based on past occurances, perhaps still being inflicted, that had
led some to be resentful, rigid in their demands and not being 'compliant'
newcomers...... I  admired them but was wary... .Cavalierly, I said to one
woman
"Many of the standing ARSC members are not socially graceful..... They are
older and may sometimes be patriarchal, intrusive or condescending.
However,  most of the mistakes will not be based on hate or
exclusionary mind sets. ''.....
 OH dear... Perhaps, as an official elder myself, I was showing my past
learning in forbearance.... and true fuddy duddyness.... As a therapist, I
know this diagnosis well

 Right now, our culture is in a froth of indignation and squabbling against
each other. Legalistic and systemic changes are announced in ways that
trigger fear... and sometimes we should be afraid of codifying injustice
and penalties.
I worry about anyone who says, I know how to deal with unrest... BRING IN
THE BIGGER GUNS.... we dont need bigger guns....I don't mean that we just
need to tolerate, rather recognize and continue with the important work to
strengthen what we share..

 We are all trying to figure how to manage and incorporate many of the
racial, feminist, and other necessary adaptations. Necessary evolution.
This is growth, combined with  unprecedented (during our lives) fear. We
dont know how to do all of this.
 The dialogue, to keep questioning, with  indignation and resolve,  will
hopefully keep  alive the recognition of the myriad examples of tone,
rhythm, syncopation, harmony (and of course, electricity ) that  change us
and help us grow....as a group.

Annie Stanfield-Hagert
vmarchive.com
 anniehagertlcsw.com


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:28 PM Gene Baron <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I agree with Gary's and others' sentiments and would like to affirm my
> support for the organization's anti-racism statement.  I am very sorry that
> the views of one person (or even a small number of people) have caused some
> to leave the group.  Thank you.
>
> Gene Baron
> member since I don't know when (maybe 1989?)
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:56 AM Bryan Martin <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Steve beat me to it. It was irresponsible to publish that letter without
> a
> > response in the same issue. It wasn't your garden-variety letter to the
> > editor, and it should have been foreseen that publishing it without
> comment
> > was incendiary and would probably alienate a significant proportion of
> the
> > membership.
> >
> > Bryan Martin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Steven Smolian
> > Sent: July 20, 2020 10:37 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] Comments on the open letter
> >
> > I recall Kurt distributing this letter, or an earlier version of it, by
> > hand, at a past meeting.  Comments made to or overheard by me at the time
> > uniformly reflected an attitude that this was Kurt's outlook and that it
> > was strongly counter to the feelings of those other members.
> >
> > I'm appalled that this letter and the attitude it expressed has led to
> > people whose viewpoint is so valuable to the knowledge base and culture
> of
> > ARSC have left it.  We are the poorer for it.
> >
> > It should not have been published without response in the same newsletter
> > issue.
> >
> > Steve Smolian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Burgess, Scott
> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:43 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] Comments on the open letter
> >
> > Well-said, Gary. I'm chiming in as a fairly new member of ARSC, but I
> feel
> > it important to lend my support to any effort to make this organization
> as
> > open and welcoming as possible. (Chuck's first reply also says it well.)
> > Not only is it the right thing to do, it is also vital to the continued
> > survival and success of the organization and to the field of sound
> > preservation for which you all have contributed so much. I'm part of two
> > other fields that are currently undertaking a long-overdue reckoning of
> > this sort, those of classical music and audio engineering education, and
> > I'm encouraged to see this honest and respectful conversation happening
> > here as well. Let's keep it that way. Kurt is free to express his
> opinions
> > in whatever forum he chooses, but ARSC definitely needs to avoid the
> > impression that this is the main POV of the organization. Giving his
> views
> > so much public space and no counterpoint is troubling indeed.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Scott Burgess
> >
> > ----
> > Scott Burgess | Manager of Recording Labs and Live Sound | Lecturer Dept
> > of Music and Entertainment Industry Studies University of Colorado Denver
> > 303-315-7462 (office)
> > [log in to unmask] | cam.ucdenver.edu <
> http://cam.ucdenver.edu/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/20/20, 7:20 AM, "Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List on
> > behalf of Gary A. Galo" <[log in to unmask] on behalf of
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >     It was downright irresponsible for that letter to be published in the
> > Newsletter, at least by itself. The Editor of the Newsletter should have,
> > at the very least, sent that letter to a few other ARSC members, and the
> > ENTIRE ARSC Board, for peer review, inviting them to offer their own
> views
> > for publication in the same issue. Publishing that letter by itself could
> > give readers the impression that Kurt's view is a prevailing one at ARSC,
> > which is certainly not the case (I believe he speaks for a miniscule
> > minority in our organization, at least I hope so). I would encourage
> other
> > members, including members of the Board, to submit letters for
> publication
> > in the next Newsletter, in the interests of offering a more balanced
> > perspective on this subject, and upholding ARSC's reputation as an
> > inclusive and welcoming professional organization.
> >
> >     Best,
> >     Gary
> >
> >
> >     Gary Galo
> >     Audio Engineer Emeritus
> >     The Crane School of Music
> >     SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
> >
> >     "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
> >     Arnold Schoenberg
> >
> >     "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
> >     Igor Markevitch
> >
> >     "If you design an audio system based on the premise that nothing is
> > audible,
> >     on that system nothing will be audible."
> >     G. Galo
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Corey Bailey
> >     Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 8:25 PM
> >     To: [log in to unmask]
> >     Subject: [EXTERNAL] [ARSCLIST] Comments on the open letter
> >
> >     This message did not originate from SUNY Potsdam or one of its
> trusted
> > senders. Do not open attachments, click on links, or provide your
> > credentials if the source is suspicious.
> >
> >
> >     Hi All,
> >
> >     In the last newsletter, there was an open letter to the ARSC
> > membership titled "Letters to the Editor" by Kurt Nauck.
> >
> >     Anyone care to comment on that letter?
> >
> >     ~CB
> >
> >     Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
> >     www.baileyzone.net
> >
>


-- 
Annie Stanfield-Hagert
http://anniehagert.com

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