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Re: ARSC controversies

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All you folks that are unhappy having to listen to people who are sick and tired of dealing with injustice, I respectfully suggest you be quiet and make the effort to just listen for awhile, and get over your lack of enthusiasm for how someone says something - donít just tune them out because they donít prescribe to Robertís Rules of order or whatnot.  Not everyone lives in circumstances where they wake up everyday prepared for another polite academic debate about something or other. They are too busy dealing with things that threaten their well being if not their lives.  Itís a priority.

So try it. Spend a little time reading or otherwise listening to people you may not have had to in the past. You might even make a few friends as you go.  Some even care about music and recorded sound.  You might even get a little mad yourself once you do learn some new things about history and the present day!  And youíll be mad for better reasons than simply that your precious time is being spent weeding out emails from people who feel they are fighting for their lives and might have a shot at finding more allies at this historic time by speaking out wherever and whenever they see the need.  Enough oeople arenít showing up at the Racial Injustice Listserve.

Get on the right side of history, for goodness sakes.   Have some empathy for other people.  Or at least STFU for a while.

Well...on reflection, thatís one less than humble opinion.  Hope it didnít hurt anyoneís sensitive feelings being told they may have their head in the sand or up some place even worse, where itís hard to hear and enjoy a wider variety of recorded sound.

Tough love.  We all need it sometimes.  Seriously, please find some space and time in your heart and mind for others who donít look or act just as you do. Itíll do everyone some good.

-Karl

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From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Rod <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 7:22:19 PM
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSC controversies

I am a member of ARSC, and I find jesslamarreeceholler's racist and intolerant attack totally abusive and not appropriate to this organization. I am here for recorded sound and that only. There are many other forums and avenues for hate-speak politics.

Thank you,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of jess lamar reece holler
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 1:27 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ARSC controversies

I am a long-time lurker on this list; I logged into this discussion because I was confused by the thread title & then was rapidly shocked by the overt & explicit racism in Sammy's posts here. Sammy, whoeever you are:
seriously?! Yikes. I couldn't imagine feeling comfortable, as a ARSC member of color (I'm neither), with this organization when statements like this are allowed to fly around on a public list-serv! Sammy, have fun wondering if police murders of POC constitute crimes. Have fun waiting for courts to rule that those crimes are crimes. Have you heard what we're out here marching for? That's not how this system works. No justice, no peace.

This has *everything* to do with recorded sound, insofar as structural racism is literally the *infrastructure* of everything we know -- of every discipline, of every hobby, of the entire protocols and ordering logics of who can move, collect records, whatever it is, safely in this world; and for whom carrying a bag of skittles is a death sentence. And, yes, the history of recorded sound -- its present, and, unless we do something, its futures -- are shaped by institutional racism. Any number of people on this list have written books & developed projects exposing and amplifying those histories.

Black Lives Matters & calls to defund & abolish the police & attendant systems of incarceration aren't a "political" issue -- what does that even mean? Unless it's "political" to say Black people shouldn't be subject to death, incarceration, overpolicing, simply by living in a deeply racist society that hasn't even begun to do reparations work for centuries of slavery. Is that political? If so, guess you're not gonna like hearing that structural racism is political. Denying it is political. You're being
*hella* political right now, Sammy. If fighting for racial justice is political, everything is political. These are meaningless words deployed to shut down a meaningful effort at solidarity on ARSC's part, which, already, like those of almost all white-led, historically white-serving cultural organizations, is already way too little, too late. It's the *least* ARSC can do.

If you're a white person writing these devil's advocacy hypotheticals, I want to just come right out and say you're advocating for the murder & continued making-fungible of Black bodies. Neutrality is not only not an option; it's an open vote for white supremacy. We *see* you saying that.
It's gross, man.

Kudos to those ARSC members calling this sort of thing. I know almost none of you and am not a member besides enjoying biscuits with you all at the Chapel Hill conference several years ago, and have no affiliations to maintain; so I have the luxury of calling it like I see it, and, damn: this ain't it, Sammy.

Come the fuck on.

In closing, in response to your question, "I have to ask again, why are we even in this position?" -- I offer that you educate yourself on the loooooong history of anti-blackness & ongoing structural-systemic violence against & dispossession of Black, Indigenous, & POC in this country -- what Saidiya Hartman calls the "non-event of emancipation" -- & pray the answer you arrive at lands you with a different set of commitments & priorities than the ones you're -- shockingly -- comfortable expressing here, now.

Respectfully submitted,
and in solidarity with BIPOC & Black lives, Jess from Ohio

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:18 PM Sammy Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Paul Stamler writes:
> "Precisely what criminal cases has the ARSC board expressed an opinion
> about?"
>
> I respond:
> Have you read the Statement from the ARSC Board Opposing Racism and
> Police Brutality?
>
> Here's the text where the ARSC board takes a stand on several cases of
> deaths of African Americans following interactions with police:
>
> "The recent killings and acts of police brutality against Black
> Americans serve as horrifying reminders that racism is not only still
> here, but it is systemic, affecting all aspects of our lives.
> The Association for Recorded Sound Collections stands in support of,
> and in service to, our Black members, as well as those in the
> community at large who face violence and oppression every single day.
> Today we remember George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Tony McDade, Ahmaud
> Arbery, Manuel Ellis, and countless others who have lost their lives."
>
> Full text, here:
> http://www.arsc-audio.org/pdf/ARSC_Statement_Opposing_Racism.pdf
>
> Specifically, do you see the names of several people written there in
> connection with a statement about police brutality?  None of these
> cases have been litigated in court.  Charges are still pending,
> charges have not been filed in some cases, and we, as of yet, have no
> idea how any court will decide on any of these matters.  The ARSC
> Board is connecting the deaths of the named individuals with police
> brutality (a question for the criminal justice system) and racism
> (also, potentially, a question for the criminal justice system).
>
> What if the outcome of these cases (or some of these cases) is that no
> crime was committed?  Or that a crime was committed, but that no
> racism was involved?  I'm merely asking these questions, as I, like
> you and the ARSC Board, have no idea what the answer will be.  If any
> of those scenarios play out, could ARSC could find itself the subject of a defamation lawsuit?
>
> Why is the ARSC Board weighing in on any of these complex issues?  We
> elected them to be leaders in recorded sound.  I have expressed my
> professional concerns about having the board of an organization for
> record collectors and archivists speak for me on issues that I have to
> provide unbiased coverage of.  Others may have objections on different grounds.
> That is for them to voice, if they feel moved to do so.
>
> I have to ask again, why are we even in this position?  What does any
> of this have to do with recorded sound?  If the answer is that ARSC
> advocates for certain cases currently making their ways through the
> criminal justice system, I must vehemently protest, and also must
> consider whether I can continue my membership.  I sincerely hope it
> doesn't come to that, as I have found my ARSC membership meaningful
> and valuable in my hobby as a record collector and playback and transfer enthusiast.
>
> Sammy Jones
>


--
*Jess Lamar Reece Holler*
Public & Community-Based Folklorist & Oral Historian Historic Preservation & Heritage Consultant Caledonia Northern Folk Studios <http://caledonianorthern.org> -- Caledonia & Columbus, Ohio oldelectricity [at] gmail [dot] com tel. 614.273.5907

"Later there might be goldenrod, but let it come."

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