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Re: Dating a Pathe disc

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Greetings from France,JI've just displayed online one of these rare Colonne cylinders on artistic Pathés (1900-1901). http://www.phonobase.org/13080.htmlVisible on photos but almost inaudible...Happy Xmas !HenriEnvoyé depuis mon appareil Galaxy
-------- Message d'origine --------De : Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> Date : 20/10/2020  23:56  (GMT+01:00) À : [log in to unmask] Objet : Re: [ARSCLIST] Dating a Pathe disc Hello, Mr. Chamoux,Thank you for your help to us all.  In that vein, have you a date the Edouard Colonne cylinders/discs were recorded?Wikipedia says a first group were cylinders, listed in the Pathe catalog of October, 1901, none of which have survived,  and the second in 1906 which were issued as discs. Yet I'm certain that I've seen a photo of a cylinder box with his name as performer- but don't ask where or when.Steve Smolian-----Original Message-----From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Henri ChamouxSent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 3:16 PMTo: [log in to unmask]: Re: [ARSCLIST] Dating a Pathe discGreetings from France,Correct number for this Carmen flower song by Alvarez is 1644, not 1664 nor 1640.Visible (and audible) here : http://www.phonobase.org/8909.htmlDate is hard to know with precision. The disc was probably issued in 1907-1908, but it is the transfer of a 1903 or 1904 cylinder.And here a visible (and audible) example of the cylinder issue of 1664 "Les boeufs" (Dupont) by the same Alvarezhttp://www.phonobase.org/1815.htmlBest regards,Henri CHAMOUXhttp://www.archeophone.org : the many adventures of the archeophonehttp://www.phonobase.org : 10 000 morceaux de cire, de gomme-laque, de celluloïd à écouter en lignehttp://phonobase.hypotheses.org : dernières nouvelles de la phonobaseLe 20/10/2020 à 19:57, Gary A. Galo a écrit :> Hi Everyone,>> I am trying to date a Pathe disc recording by Albert Alvarez, the Flower Song from Carmen. This recording was on an old LP produced by Henry Herrold in 1959, Herrold 5000, which also contained a bunch of Mapleson cylinders from Aida Favia-Artsay's collection. Aida gave a catalog number of 1664 for this record, but a recent reissue by Malibran says 1640. Malibran gives a date of 1905, but if 1640 is really the catalog number, a more likely date would seem to be 1903. I've checked various on-line references - DAHR, Kelly - without success, along with a private Alvarez CD sold on eBay, which gives 1640 as the catalog number and "1903 (?)" as the date.>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FRENCH-TENOR-ALBERT-ALVAREZ-1861-1933-CD-/293098186388>> 1664 is the catalog number of another recording, Les boeufs by Dupont, included on both the eBay CD and Malibran.>> Can anyone shed any light on the correct date and catalog number for this record?>> Thanks,> Gary>> Gary Galo> Audio Engineer Emeritus> The Crane School of Music> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676> .Henri CHAMOUXhttp://www.archeophone.org : les aventures de l'archéophone, lauréat du cristal cnrs 2017http://www.phonobase.org : 10 000 morceaux de cire, de gomme-laque, de celluloïd à écouter en lignehttp://phonobase.hypotheses.org : dernières nouvelles de la phonobase  -- École normale supérieure de LyonLARHRA - UMR 5190Pôle histoire numérique1 rue Maurice Arnoux92120 MontrougeTel : 06 64 80 00 [log in to unmask]http://larhra.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/membre/113

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