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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R

From:

Shai Drori <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 18 Mar 2022 00:29:02 +0200

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You should read the not so fine print. They did not claim 300 years, they
claimed UP TO 300 years. 10 years fall under that statement easily.

Cheers
Shai Drori
Expert digitization services for Audio Video
3K scanning for film 8mm-35mm
Timeless Recordings Music Label
www.audiovideofilm.com
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:26 AM Gary A. Galo <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> If your discs fail after 299 years, you can return them for replacement.
> Just be sure to have your original receipt, and remember that the warranty
> is not transferrable.
>
> Cheers!
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of John Haley
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 4:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
>
> I am not nearly as scientific as others, but I note that the gold MAM-A
> blanks I have from years ago have all developed some kind of visible haze
> on the backside (not the data side).  Of course I will not use them.  So
> much for 300 years.  I have a friend who has had a lot of failures with
> these same gold CD-Rs, which we ordered at the same time, and copies of
> things I bought from people on the silver versions of this same brand of
> blanks have mostly failed.  I hardly ever use CD-Rs anymore, but I will
> order some of what Gary is recommending for when I do.
>
> Best,
> John Haley
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 11:42 AM Gary A. Galo <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Yes, some are gold. Go back to my original posting yesterday and
> > you'll see that I indicated the color - gold, silver or, in one case,
> green.
> >
> > Best,
> > Gary
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Steve Smolian
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 11:11 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> >
> > Are any of these the gold discs?  If so (or not) those posting to this
> > thread would help those of us who don't know the CD product names and
> > numbers to better understand what is being said.
> >
> > Steve Smolian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Gary A. Galo
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 10:27 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> >
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > Yes, Falcon. Last week I got several samples of their Medical grade
> > CD-Rs, courtesy of John Schroth. I ran a bunch of tests and found them
> > to be consistently excellent. Both the manufacturers and Disc Makers
> > (a dealer I've done business with) have told me that the Premium grade
> > green and diamond CDs have the same low error rates as the Medical
> > grade, but the Medical grade are more robust. Either are supposed to be
> fine for audio.
> > The Diamond coat and medical grade discs have a silver-ish business
> > side, and look more like a manufactured CD, but I've been assured that
> > the green discs and Diamond coat discs have the same low error rates.
> >
> > Incidentally, Falcon claims to be using a TDK manufacturing process
> > ("a TDK Time Code achieving lowest error rates" is what they say), and
> > Nero Disc Info identifies the manufacturer as TDK.
> >
> > I have some test results I'm going to post, with a link on this list,
> > but I'm not finished yet. Today I'm going to order 100 Falcon CD-Rs
> > and 100 DVD-Rs from Disc Makers. Here's the link to the description on
> > Falcon's web site, and DiscMakers:
> >
> > https://falconrak.com/product/premium-line-cd-r/
> >
> > https://www.discmakers.com/shop/parentgroups/blank.asp
> >
> > I have given up on the CMC Pro discs. The quality has gone down the
> > drain compared to the CMCs I bought two years ago. The old
> > Taiyo-Yuden/.JVC quality now seems to have gone to the dogs.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > Best,
> > Gary
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Barton, Matthew
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 10:00 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> >
> > Can anyone recommend good CD-Rs still on the market?
> >
> >
> > Matthew Barton
> > Library of Congress
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Gary A. Galo
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 9:52 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> >
> > Hi Shai,
> >
> > The CDs I tested yesterday were not inkjet printable, and did not have
> > paper labels. They were all labeled by hand with a marking pen safe
> > for CDs. As the test results show, they are all in good shape,
> > including the ones that are roughly 25 years old.  As I also noted, I
> > used to distribute copies of performances using adhesive paper labels,
> > which were supposed to be safe for CDs, in the days before
> > inkjet-printable discs. Those discs are all going bad. Fortunately, I
> > never used paper labels on archival copies - only copies for
> distribution.
> >
> > Let me know if I can add further clarification.
> >
> > Best,
> > Gary
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Shai Drori
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 9:23 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> >
> > When you say the CDs are labeled, what do you mean? Do they have a
> > paper label attached to them or are they ink printed, or have been
> > marked with a CD marker? If they have a paper label on them, that is
> > probably where your problem originates.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Shai Drori
> > Expert digitization services for Audio Video 3K scanning for film
> > 8mm-35mm Timeless Recordings Music Label www.audiovideofilm.com
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 3:06 AM Gary A. Galo <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > Your inquiry prompted me to pull some old mostly-Mitsui/MAM-A discs
> > > off the shelf, at random, and run some error checks with Nero
> > > DiscSpeed
> > 7.02.
> > > These tests were done in my old Dell XPS-8300 running Windows 7,
> > > with one exception noted below. I got very good results, which are
> > > copied
> > below.
> > > Honestly, I'm pleasantly surprised that these discs have held up
> > > this
> > well.
> > >
> > > None of these discs are inkjet printable - all were labeled by hand
> > > using a marking pen safe for CDs. I have many older discs, made
> > > before inkjet-printable discs, that have adhesive CD labels. They
> > > all seem to be going bad. Fortunately, those are all backup or
> distribution copies.
> > >
> > > For whatever it's worth......
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > Note: Timings for the discs are in a 00:00 format; Nero errors and
> > > Quality Score are C1/C2/QS. C1 errors are aways correctable; C2
> > > errors may or may not be depending on how many and how close together.
> > >
> > > 1.) Two CD-Rs of the same material, 56:15 burned c. 1998, 80 min
> > > capacity -Old Taiyo-Yuden with silver top and green dye: 76/0/98
> > > -Kodak Gold: 532/0/98 I had thought that the Kodak Gold discs were
> > > actually manufactured by Mitsui, but Nero Disc Info IDs them as Kodak.
> > >
> > > 2.) Two HHB gold discs, (Nero ID says Mitsui), 74 min capacity, burned
> c.
> > > 1998
> > > -Disc 1, 61:30: 132/0/99
> > > -Disc 2, 72:22: 37/59/0
> > >
> > > The 59 C2 errors were right at the beginning, so I also tested Disc
> > > 2 with the same Nero DiscSpeed version in my Dell XPS-8930 running
> > > Windows 10, using an external Iomega Super DVD drive:
> > > 60/0/98
> > >
> > > 3.) Two 80-minute MAM-A silver discs, 80 minute capacity, burned c.
> > > 2009 -Disc 1, 70:17: 1870/0/97 -Disc 2, 68:31: 634/0/99
> > >
> > > 4.) Four 80-minute MAM-A gold discs, 80 minute capacity -Disc 1,
> > > burned 2006, 76:09: 800/0/98 -Disc 2, burned 2006, 75:34: 853/0/96
> > > -Disc 3, burned c. 2010, 67:06: 161/0/99 -Disc 4, burned c. 2010,
> > > 69:20: 198/0/99
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of John Schroth
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 11:13 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> > >
> > > This message did not originate from SUNY Potsdam or one of its
> > > trusted senders. Do not open attachments, click on links, or provide
> > > your credentials if the source is suspicious.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi James:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reply.
> > >
> > > Yes, to clarify, these are MITSUI disks. The Jewel case states that
> > > the disks are made in the USA. Mistui Chemicals out of Purchase New
> York.
> > >
> > > It looks as if the client used Mitsui until 2003, then switched over
> > > to MAM-A, with a sprinkling of Taiyo Yuden as well. We haven't
> > > gotten to this portion of the collection, but it will be interesting
> > > to see what the reject rate is, once we get to this portion of the
> collection.
> > >
> > > We have four or five different manufacturers of computer disk drives
> > here.
> > > Obviously we will be running ripping tests on different drives for
> > > the disks that have been rejected. More to come......
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > Media Transfer Service, LLC
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/16/2022 10:14 AM, James Perrett wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you mean Matsui or Mitsui?
> > > >
> > > > If you mean Mitsui then I'm not surprised. They changed into
> > > > Mitsui Advanced Media - America (MAM-A) and Mitsui Advanced Media
> > > > - Europe
> > > > (MAM-E) around that time and the product quality went right down
> > > > (at least for the MAM-E discs). They gave very low error rates
> > > > (similar to the older Japanese Mitsui discs) when first recorded
> > > > but some were almost unreadable after only 6 months. If these are
> > > > Japanese Mitsui discs then it points to an issue with the writer
> > > > being incompatible with the discs - very few people had access to
> > > > affordable disc testing until Plextor introduced their Premium
> > > > drive
> > in 2003.
> > > >
> > > > However, it may be worth trying a different CD reader just in case
> > > > the drive you are using is incompatible with these discs for some
> > reason.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > James.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 13:46, John Schroth
> > > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello Fellow ARSC Members
> > > >>
> > > >> We're in the middle of an optical disk mass-migration project of
> > > >> over
> > > >> 3,000 CD-R audio discs. The recordings span the years from the
> > > >> early 1990's through to 2016.
> > > >>
> > > >> We're using an MF Digital Ripstation to migrate the collection to
> > > >> file format.
> > > >>
> > > >> At one point in early 2001, the client switched from using TDK
> > > >> branded disks to Matsui. As soon as we got into the Matsui
> > > >> branded disks, the ripping reject rate immediately went from 3-4%
> to 80+%.
> > > >> The Matsui branded disks are labeled and were stored exactly the
> > > >> same way as the previous TDK branded disks.
> > > >>
> > > >> I thought that Matsui was supposed to be a quality disk back in
> > > >> the day, but thus far, what we're seeing with this project is
> > > >> quite the
> > > opposite.
> > > >> Before I go deep diving to try and figure out why we're seeing
> > > >> such a high reject rate, does anyone know anything more about
> > > >> this manufacturer from back in the time period of 2001?
> > > >>
> > > >> Kind Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> John Schroth
> > > >> Media Transfer Service, LLC
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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