You should read the not so fine print. They did not claim 300 years, they
claimed UP TO 300 years. 10 years fall under that statement easily.
Cheers
Shai Drori
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:26 AM Gary A. Galo <
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> Hi John,
>
> If your discs fail after 299 years, you can return them for replacement.
> Just be sure to have your original receipt, and remember that the warranty
> is not transferrable.
>
> Cheers!
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of John Haley
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 4:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
>
> I am not nearly as scientific as others, but I note that the gold MAM-A
> blanks I have from years ago have all developed some kind of visible haze
> on the backside (not the data side). Of course I will not use them. So
> much for 300 years. I have a friend who has had a lot of failures with
> these same gold CD-Rs, which we ordered at the same time, and copies of
> things I bought from people on the silver versions of this same brand of
> blanks have mostly failed. I hardly ever use CD-Rs anymore, but I will
> order some of what Gary is recommending for when I do.
>
> Best,
> John Haley
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 11:42 AM Gary A. Galo <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Yes, some are gold. Go back to my original posting yesterday and
> > you'll see that I indicated the color - gold, silver or, in one case,
> green.
> >
> > Best,
> > Gary
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Steve Smolian
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 11:11 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> >
> > Are any of these the gold discs? If so (or not) those posting to this
> > thread would help those of us who don't know the CD product names and
> > numbers to better understand what is being said.
> >
> > Steve Smolian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Gary A. Galo
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 10:27 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> >
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > Yes, Falcon. Last week I got several samples of their Medical grade
> > CD-Rs, courtesy of John Schroth. I ran a bunch of tests and found them
> > to be consistently excellent. Both the manufacturers and Disc Makers
> > (a dealer I've done business with) have told me that the Premium grade
> > green and diamond CDs have the same low error rates as the Medical
> > grade, but the Medical grade are more robust. Either are supposed to be
> fine for audio.
> > The Diamond coat and medical grade discs have a silver-ish business
> > side, and look more like a manufactured CD, but I've been assured that
> > the green discs and Diamond coat discs have the same low error rates.
> >
> > Incidentally, Falcon claims to be using a TDK manufacturing process
> > ("a TDK Time Code achieving lowest error rates" is what they say), and
> > Nero Disc Info identifies the manufacturer as TDK.
> >
> > I have some test results I'm going to post, with a link on this list,
> > but I'm not finished yet. Today I'm going to order 100 Falcon CD-Rs
> > and 100 DVD-Rs from Disc Makers. Here's the link to the description on
> > Falcon's web site, and DiscMakers:
> >
> > https://falconrak.com/product/premium-line-cd-r/
> >
> > https://www.discmakers.com/shop/parentgroups/blank.asp
> >
> > I have given up on the CMC Pro discs. The quality has gone down the
> > drain compared to the CMCs I bought two years ago. The old
> > Taiyo-Yuden/.JVC quality now seems to have gone to the dogs.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > Best,
> > Gary
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Barton, Matthew
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 10:00 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> >
> > Can anyone recommend good CD-Rs still on the market?
> >
> >
> > Matthew Barton
> > Library of Congress
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Gary A. Galo
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 9:52 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> >
> > Hi Shai,
> >
> > The CDs I tested yesterday were not inkjet printable, and did not have
> > paper labels. They were all labeled by hand with a marking pen safe
> > for CDs. As the test results show, they are all in good shape,
> > including the ones that are roughly 25 years old. As I also noted, I
> > used to distribute copies of performances using adhesive paper labels,
> > which were supposed to be safe for CDs, in the days before
> > inkjet-printable discs. Those discs are all going bad. Fortunately, I
> > never used paper labels on archival copies - only copies for
> distribution.
> >
> > Let me know if I can add further clarification.
> >
> > Best,
> > Gary
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Shai Drori
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 9:23 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> >
> > When you say the CDs are labeled, what do you mean? Do they have a
> > paper label attached to them or are they ink printed, or have been
> > marked with a CD marker? If they have a paper label on them, that is
> > probably where your problem originates.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Shai Drori
> > Expert digitization services for Audio Video 3K scanning for film
> > 8mm-35mm Timeless Recordings Music Label www.audiovideofilm.com
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 3:06 AM Gary A. Galo <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > Your inquiry prompted me to pull some old mostly-Mitsui/MAM-A discs
> > > off the shelf, at random, and run some error checks with Nero
> > > DiscSpeed
> > 7.02.
> > > These tests were done in my old Dell XPS-8300 running Windows 7,
> > > with one exception noted below. I got very good results, which are
> > > copied
> > below.
> > > Honestly, I'm pleasantly surprised that these discs have held up
> > > this
> > well.
> > >
> > > None of these discs are inkjet printable - all were labeled by hand
> > > using a marking pen safe for CDs. I have many older discs, made
> > > before inkjet-printable discs, that have adhesive CD labels. They
> > > all seem to be going bad. Fortunately, those are all backup or
> distribution copies.
> > >
> > > For whatever it's worth......
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > Note: Timings for the discs are in a 00:00 format; Nero errors and
> > > Quality Score are C1/C2/QS. C1 errors are aways correctable; C2
> > > errors may or may not be depending on how many and how close together.
> > >
> > > 1.) Two CD-Rs of the same material, 56:15 burned c. 1998, 80 min
> > > capacity -Old Taiyo-Yuden with silver top and green dye: 76/0/98
> > > -Kodak Gold: 532/0/98 I had thought that the Kodak Gold discs were
> > > actually manufactured by Mitsui, but Nero Disc Info IDs them as Kodak.
> > >
> > > 2.) Two HHB gold discs, (Nero ID says Mitsui), 74 min capacity, burned
> c.
> > > 1998
> > > -Disc 1, 61:30: 132/0/99
> > > -Disc 2, 72:22: 37/59/0
> > >
> > > The 59 C2 errors were right at the beginning, so I also tested Disc
> > > 2 with the same Nero DiscSpeed version in my Dell XPS-8930 running
> > > Windows 10, using an external Iomega Super DVD drive:
> > > 60/0/98
> > >
> > > 3.) Two 80-minute MAM-A silver discs, 80 minute capacity, burned c.
> > > 2009 -Disc 1, 70:17: 1870/0/97 -Disc 2, 68:31: 634/0/99
> > >
> > > 4.) Four 80-minute MAM-A gold discs, 80 minute capacity -Disc 1,
> > > burned 2006, 76:09: 800/0/98 -Disc 2, burned 2006, 75:34: 853/0/96
> > > -Disc 3, burned c. 2010, 67:06: 161/0/99 -Disc 4, burned c. 2010,
> > > 69:20: 198/0/99
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> > > [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of John Schroth
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 11:13 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Matsui Brand CD-R
> > >
> > > This message did not originate from SUNY Potsdam or one of its
> > > trusted senders. Do not open attachments, click on links, or provide
> > > your credentials if the source is suspicious.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi James:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reply.
> > >
> > > Yes, to clarify, these are MITSUI disks. The Jewel case states that
> > > the disks are made in the USA. Mistui Chemicals out of Purchase New
> York.
> > >
> > > It looks as if the client used Mitsui until 2003, then switched over
> > > to MAM-A, with a sprinkling of Taiyo Yuden as well. We haven't
> > > gotten to this portion of the collection, but it will be interesting
> > > to see what the reject rate is, once we get to this portion of the
> collection.
> > >
> > > We have four or five different manufacturers of computer disk drives
> > here.
> > > Obviously we will be running ripping tests on different drives for
> > > the disks that have been rejected. More to come......
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > Media Transfer Service, LLC
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/16/2022 10:14 AM, James Perrett wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you mean Matsui or Mitsui?
> > > >
> > > > If you mean Mitsui then I'm not surprised. They changed into
> > > > Mitsui Advanced Media - America (MAM-A) and Mitsui Advanced Media
> > > > - Europe
> > > > (MAM-E) around that time and the product quality went right down
> > > > (at least for the MAM-E discs). They gave very low error rates
> > > > (similar to the older Japanese Mitsui discs) when first recorded
> > > > but some were almost unreadable after only 6 months. If these are
> > > > Japanese Mitsui discs then it points to an issue with the writer
> > > > being incompatible with the discs - very few people had access to
> > > > affordable disc testing until Plextor introduced their Premium
> > > > drive
> > in 2003.
> > > >
> > > > However, it may be worth trying a different CD reader just in case
> > > > the drive you are using is incompatible with these discs for some
> > reason.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > James.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 13:46, John Schroth
> > > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello Fellow ARSC Members
> > > >>
> > > >> We're in the middle of an optical disk mass-migration project of
> > > >> over
> > > >> 3,000 CD-R audio discs. The recordings span the years from the
> > > >> early 1990's through to 2016.
> > > >>
> > > >> We're using an MF Digital Ripstation to migrate the collection to
> > > >> file format.
> > > >>
> > > >> At one point in early 2001, the client switched from using TDK
> > > >> branded disks to Matsui. As soon as we got into the Matsui
> > > >> branded disks, the ripping reject rate immediately went from 3-4%
> to 80+%.
> > > >> The Matsui branded disks are labeled and were stored exactly the
> > > >> same way as the previous TDK branded disks.
> > > >>
> > > >> I thought that Matsui was supposed to be a quality disk back in
> > > >> the day, but thus far, what we're seeing with this project is
> > > >> quite the
> > > opposite.
> > > >> Before I go deep diving to try and figure out why we're seeing
> > > >> such a high reject rate, does anyone know anything more about
> > > >> this manufacturer from back in the time period of 2001?
> > > >>
> > > >> Kind Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> John Schroth
> > > >> Media Transfer Service, LLC
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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