Hi,
fwiw, the Scott Phonautograph (1857-1859) transcribed a lateral graphic representation of sound vibration - probably necessary for the technology of that time (and for that visual purpose).
Van Meter's wife (Esther Adams Bacigalupi)) was the sister of the woman (Victoria Adams Bacigalupi) who herself married Leon F. Douglass (Victor's V-P/General Mgr).
Allen
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It's not my specialty but was perhaps the reason for hill and dale
modulation that that was the natural direction for a driver diaphragm
in the acoustic horn? I mean as the eardrum vibrates in that
direction. For lateral cut, I guess some sort of lever and fulcrum
point would have to be added, adding extra mass, complexity and
reducing fidelity.
Tim Gillett
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Hi Allen,
There's no reason why a cylinder could not be laterally cut. But, the
one technical limitation would be shorter playing time. Since
vertically-cut records don't have side-to-side groove excursions, the
groove pitch can be finer (pitch meaning the number of lines per inch,
having nothing to do with musical pitch). Most lateral 78s are cut at
around 75 lines per inch. Edison Diamond Discs were cut at 150 lines
per inch, which is how he managed to produce 10-inch discs with
roughly the same playing time as lateral 12-inch discs. As I recall,
the groove pitch of a 2-minute cylinder was 100 while a 4-minute
cylinder was 200. I hope I remembered these number correctly - the
relative values get the point across.
Your article is interesting. I was not aware that anyone had made
cylinders with a laterally-cut groove.
Best.
Gary
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Hi
While there seems to be no limitation as to how the grooves of a DISC
could be usefully recorded (vertically, laterally, 45-degree, etc),
there seems to be one truism for all CYLINDERS, whether made of wax or
celluloid. That is, they ALWAYS utilized vertical vibrations
(hill-an-dale style).
But would there be any technical limitation that would prevent the
use of sound vibrations in the WALLS of the grooves (of the cylinder)?
Did such a detail ever appear in a patent, or better yet, has such a
curiosity ever been found?
Nothing new under the sun - and what are the odds?
https://www.academia.edu/81400523/_Inventive_Genius_The_Only_Laterally_Recorded_Cylinder
And what if the inventor if the 'new-fangled' process ("Berliner
zig-zag") actually made such an item (say, in 1904) - and left his
plans on/in the cylinder itself? AND the recording survived...
I guess anything is possible. The Inventor's immodest gravestone is in
California, and you would never guess whose step-daughter he married!
Allen
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