My link just sent actually says store tape vertical. It doesn't specify
wire...but someone might want to ask them?
Paul Jackson

On 11/12/2022 11:08 AM, CBAUDIO wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I can't find a reference as to how wire recordings should be stored
> either. Perhaps someone with the knowledge will post. I also haven't
> (knowingly) experienced the cross-talk that has been mentioned in any
> of the wire recordings that I have transferred, although I have
> wondered about it. Should recorded wire be stored tails out like
> reel-to-reel audio tape? All of the wire recordings, that I have
> encountered, have been stored heads out. I have only come across a
> plain steel wire recording once, and it was on a 1/4" shafted hub.
>
> One thing I can say is that if your institution has a working player,
> it would be good to address those wires that have become unraveled.
> One of those 'Round Tuit' projects. :)
>
> Best,
> CB
> Corey Bailey
> www.baileyzone.net
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Paul Sutherland" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>; "CBAUDIO"
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 11/12/2022 7:32:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>
>> I'll be honest, I'm struggling to find the reference now. I thought I
>> read it here
>> <https://cool.culturalheritage.org/byform/mailing-lists/arsclist/2009/05/msg00001.html>
>> (ARSCLIST post from 2009), but I can't see any discussion of
>> orientation there except the initial question. You can probably
>> safely ignore my assertion here.
>>
>> (That thread is also where I saw mention of removing the original
>> cardboard container.)
>>
>> That said, I imagine there might be some difference if the wire is
>> partially unravelled, which quite a lot of ours are. We have one
>> extreme case of a wire that is very unravelled (fortunately after
>> digitization, I'm not sure at what point it became so unravelled),
>> and I can imagine it being detrimental to any future salvage to put
>> the weight of the vertical spool on the unravelled wire. Also, as the
>> proposed microfilm packaging is larger than the wire recording and
>> the wire has no original packaging (again, a few cases for us),
>> transporting them vertically would lead to rolling, which in the case
>> of partially unravelled wire would mean rolling over loose wire. This
>> seems unnecessary to me, so if it made no difference otherwise, I
>> would be happy to store them flat.
>>
>> ---
>> Paul Sutherland
>> Archivist at www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR
>> Musician at www.hearlambeth.com
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>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> I'm curious; Where did you come across the knowledge that wire
>> recordings should be stored flat? I wasn't aware that it could make a
>> difference. I was aware that motion picture film is to be stored flat
>> but wire recordings?
>>
>> Best,
>> CB
>> Corey Bailey
>> www.baileyzone.net
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Paul Sutherland" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: 11/11/2022 6:46:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>>
>> >Thank you so much everybody!
>> >
>> >Based on the info so far, I think I may need to go with microfilm
>> boxes. Unless someone is able to identify explicitly designed wire
>> housing.
>> >
>> >Corey - I've read that removing the original cardboard boxes is best
>> for long-term storage, but yes, there is much metadata on those that
>> it would be useful to keep. If others think that it's actually okay
>> to keep them in their original cardboard boxes, I would go with this.
>> We also unfortunately don't yet have cold storage available for these
>> but hopefully soon. Thanks also for the post about playing them.
>> >
>> >It's also my understanding that they should be stored flat
>> (horizontally). I could stack microfilm reels like that in larger
>> archival boxes.
>> >
>> >The Webster-Chicago boxes fit into a 16mm microfilm box. Silvertone
>> ones (blue, round boxes) don't, so I would use 35mm microfilm boxes.
>> >
>> >I'd rather have individual housing than having to construct
>> dividers, but that's definitely an option. A 7" or 10.5" reel-to-reel
>> box would be quite economical though, divided up that's 4 or 9 spaces
>> for 3.5"x3.5".
>> >
>> >Thanks for the reminder to tape the wire down too!
>> >
>> >Appreciate all the info so far.
>> >
>> >---
>> >Paul Sutherland
>> >Archivist at
>> www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR<http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR>
>> <http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR<http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR>>
>>
>> >Musician at www.hearlambeth.com<http://www.hearlambeth.com>
>> >________________________________
>> >From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Paul Jackson
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 18:10
>> >To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>> >
>> >One place to check for such storage boxes would be Uline:
>> >https://catalog.uline.com/Fall-Winter-US-2022/82/#
>> >
>> >Another may be, University Products. They are very good for Museum
>> >storage materials. https://www.universityproducts.com/
>> >
>> >On 11/10/2022 9:43 AM, Lance Watsky wrote:
>> >>  Hi Paul,
>> >>
>> >>  Back when I worked at the State of Georgia Archives, we would get
>> boxes and create dividers for delicate objects.
>> >>
>> >>  You may want to contact Conversation Supply companies, like Gaylord.
>> >>
>> >>  Best,
>> >>  Lance
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  Lance Watsky
>> >>
>> >>  Manager of Media Archives & Licensing
>> >>  Sherman Grinberg Film Library
>> >>  21011 Itasca Street
>> >>  Chatsworth, CA 91311
>> >>  C: (909) 223-7941<tel:%28909%29%20223-7941>
>> >> E:[log in to unmask]
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>> >>  Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 7:52 AM
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>> >>  Subject: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>> >>
>> >>  Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>  We have a number of wire recordings on original spools in
>> original cardboard boxes, that we are looking to rehouse. They are
>> standard commercial size (2.75" diameter, 0.6-ish" wide). Some are
>> starting to unravel, though fortunately they were almost all already
>> digitized. My main concern is giving them individual housing so the
>> wires do not tangle with others.
>> >>
>> >>  ARSC's guide
>> (p64)<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.clir.org_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_sites_6_2015_05_ARSC-2Dw-2Dcover.pdf&d=DwIFAw&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Kp4tmL90KaBMzYo2uBG6UY1FLVcV8J78ZNTo3170Ups&m=n2FQz1znjkBuCJuvfRFTUwlovOe4m0_Z1ytfGUrtjIQ&s=Tiixwv4G0iITLG38Pk71QHrl9YayXLWsnWjivbFtooI&e=>
>>  says they should be stored in acid-free boxes of the appropriate
>> size, but I have not been able to find a vendor selling the right
>> size - either labeled as for wire recordings or reel-to-reel audio
>> tapes. I imagined I might find 3" reel-to-reel tape boxes at
>> Hollinger or Gaylord, but they only go down to 7". The closest
>> possibly suitable thing I can find is microfilm storage boxes, but
>> those are also slightly bigger (3.75" diameter).
>> >>
>> >>  Does anybody know of a vendor selling acid-free boxes for wire
>> recordings? Or has anyone had success getting custom ones made, or
>> using something of similar size?
>> >>
>> >>  Thanks!
>> >>  Paul
>> >>
>> >>  ---
>> >>  Paul Sutherland
>> >>  Archivist
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