I don't remember anything about the machine or the taping and sound, or
storage, except when I was young, my uncle, a minister, had all of his
sermons on wire, and would record the family's talking at Thanksgiving.
This would have been in the 1940s. Sorry I can't help. ;-) I remember it
looked something like this one:
Paul Jackson
On 11/12/2022 12:44 PM, Richard L. Hess wrote:
> I stand corrected, thanks Steve and Corey.
>
> The Peirce seems to have identical takeup and supply reels and looks
> similar to the GE. I saw an interesting article in Audio Engineering
> Dec 1953 on World Radio History about magnetic performance of
> stainless steel wire.
>
> https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-Audio/50s/Audio-1953-Dec.pdf
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAMQw7AJahcKEwiIzsuTvan7AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fworldradiohistory.com%2FArchive-All-Audio%2FArchive-Audio%2F50s%2FAudio-1953-Dec.pdf&psig=AOvVaw0egieA6glEfdyIe0YAc3yF&ust=1668371190270101>
>
>
> I guess most of the wire recorders I've seen are the Webster ones with
> the fixed takeup reels.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
> On 2022-11-12 2:38 p.m., Steve Smolian wrote:
>> Actually, there are at least two wire systems that work like tape
>> transports, with removable reels on both sides. GE had one and I
>> forgot the other.
>>
>> Steve Smolian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion
>> List<[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Richard L. Hess
>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 2:29 PM
>> To:[log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>>
>> I would talk to Nicholas Bergh and/or Angie Dickenson Mickle, both on
>> the ARSC technical committee. Both restore wires and come at it from
>> two different directions. Nick has built the ultimate wire player and
>> Angie uses well-maintained, selected vintage machines.
>>
>> Wires are almost always stored heads out as the takeup reel is fixed
>> to the player and the wire must be rewound to be removed.
>>
>> Wires are easily tangled especially if the ends are not secured.
>>
>> I chaired a session on wires at the last ARSC conference, Angie and
>> Nick were the two major contributors. I got to hear this from them.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On 2022-11-12 2:08 p.m., CBAUDIO wrote:
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> I can't find a reference as to how wire recordings should be stored
>>> either. Perhaps someone with the knowledge will post. I also haven't
>>> (knowingly) experienced the cross-talk that has been mentioned in any
>>> of the wire recordings that I have transferred, although I have
>>> wondered about it. Should recorded wire be stored tails out like
>>> reel-to-reel audio tape? All of the wire recordings, that I have
>>> encountered, have been stored heads out. I have only come across a
>>> plain steel wire recording once, and it was on a 1/4" shafted hub.
>>>
>>> One thing I can say is that if your institution has a working player,
>>> it would be good to address those wires that have become unraveled.
>>> One of those 'Round Tuit' projects. :)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> CB
>>> Corey Bailey
>>> www.baileyzone.net
>>>
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Paul Sutherland"<[log in to unmask]>
>>> To:"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>; "CBAUDIO"
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: 11/12/2022 7:32:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>>>
>>>> I'll be honest, I'm struggling to find the reference now. I thought I
>>>> read it here
>>>> <https://cool.culturalheritage.org/byform/mailing-lists/arsclist/2009
>>>> /05/msg00001.html> (ARSCLIST post from 2009), but I can't see any
>>>> discussion of orientation there except the initial question. You can
>>>> probably safely ignore my assertion here.
>>>>
>>>> (That thread is also where I saw mention of removing the original
>>>> cardboard container.)
>>>>
>>>> That said, I imagine there might be some difference if the wire is
>>>> partially unravelled, which quite a lot of ours are. We have one
>>>> extreme case of a wire that is very unravelled (fortunately after
>>>> digitization, I'm not sure at what point it became so unravelled),
>>>> and I can imagine it being detrimental to any future salvage to put
>>>> the weight of the vertical spool on the unravelled wire. Also, as the
>>>> proposed microfilm packaging is larger than the wire recording and
>>>> the wire has no original packaging (again, a few cases for us),
>>>> transporting them vertically would lead to rolling, which in the case
>>>> of partially unravelled wire would mean rolling over loose wire. This
>>>> seems unnecessary to me, so if it made no difference otherwise, I
>>>> would be happy to store them flat.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Paul Sutherland
>>>> Archivist atwww.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR Musician at
>>>> www.hearlambeth.com
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -----------
>>>>
>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>>>> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of CBAUDIO
>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 02:20To:[log in to unmask]
>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious; Where did you come across the knowledge that wire
>>>> recordings should be stored flat? I wasn't aware that it could make a
>>>> difference. I was aware that motion picture film is to be stored flat
>>>> but wire recordings?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> CB
>>>> Corey Bailey
>>>> www.baileyzone.net
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Paul Sutherland"<[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To:[log in to unmask]
>>>> Sent: 11/11/2022 6:46:32 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much everybody!
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on the info so far, I think I may need to go with microfilm
>>>> boxes. Unless someone is able to identify explicitly designed wire
>>>> housing.
>>>>> Corey - I've read that removing the original cardboard boxes is best
>>>> for long-term storage, but yes, there is much metadata on those that
>>>> it would be useful to keep. If others think that it's actually okay
>>>> to keep them in their original cardboard boxes, I would go with this.
>>>> We also unfortunately don't yet have cold storage available for these
>>>> but hopefully soon. Thanks also for the post about playing them.
>>>>> It's also my understanding that they should be stored flat
>>>> (horizontally). I could stack microfilm reels like that in larger
>>>> archival boxes.
>>>>> The Webster-Chicago boxes fit into a 16mm microfilm box. Silvertone
>>>> ones (blue, round boxes) don't, so I would use 35mm microfilm boxes.
>>>>> I'd rather have individual housing than having to construct
>>>> dividers, but that's definitely an option. A 7" or 10.5" reel-to-reel
>>>> box would be quite economical though, divided up that's 4 or 9 spaces
>>>> for 3.5"x3.5".
>>>>> Thanks for the reminder to tape the wire down too!
>>>>>
>>>>> Appreciate all the info so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Paul Sutherland
>>>>> Archivist at
>>>> www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR<http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAI
>>>> R>
>>>> <http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR<http://www.amphilsoc.org/libr
>>>> ary/CNAIR>>
>>>>
>>>>> Musician atwww.hearlambeth.com<http://www.hearlambeth.com>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>>>> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Paul Jackson
>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 18:10
>>>>> To:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>>>>>
>>>>> One place to check for such storage boxes would be Uline:
>>>>> https://catalog.uline.com/Fall-Winter-US-2022/82/#
>>>>>
>>>>> Another may be, University Products. They are very good for Museum
>>>>> storage materials.https://www.universityproducts.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/2022 9:43 AM, Lance Watsky wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back when I worked at the State of Georgia Archives, we would get
>>>> boxes and create dividers for delicate objects.
>>>>>> You may want to contact Conversation Supply companies, like
>>>>>> Gaylord.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Lance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lance Watsky
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Manager of Media Archives & Licensing
>>>>>> Sherman Grinberg Film Library
>>>>>> 21011 Itasca Street
>>>>>> Chatsworth, CA 91311
>>>>>> C: (909) 223-7941<tel:%28909%29%20223-7941>
>>>>>> E:[log in to unmask]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion
>>>> List<[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Paul
>>>> Sutherland<[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 7:52 AM
>>>>>> To:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a number of wire recordings on original spools in
>>>> original cardboard boxes, that we are looking to rehouse. They are
>>>> standard commercial size (2.75" diameter, 0.6-ish" wide). Some are
>>>> starting to unravel, though fortunately they were almost all already
>>>> digitized. My main concern is giving them individual housing so the
>>>> wires do not tangle with others.
>>>>>> ARSC's guide
>>>> (p64)<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.clir.o
>>>> rg_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_sites_6_2015_05_ARSC-2Dw-2Dcover.pdf&d=DwIFAw
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>>>> &s=Tiixwv4G0iITLG38Pk71QHrl9YayXLWsnWjivbFtooI&e=>
>>>> says they should be stored in acid-free boxes of the appropriate
>>>> size, but I have not been able to find a vendor selling the right
>>>> size - either labeled as for wire recordings or reel-to-reel audio
>>>> tapes. I imagined I might find 3" reel-to-reel tape boxes at
>>>> Hollinger or Gaylord, but they only go down to 7". The closest
>>>> possibly suitable thing I can find is microfilm storage boxes, but
>>>> those are also slightly bigger (3.75" diameter).
>>>>>> Does anybody know of a vendor selling acid-free boxes for wire
>>>> recordings? Or has anyone had success getting custom ones made, or
>>>> using something of similar size?
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Paul Sutherland
>>>>>> Archivist
>>>> athttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.amphilsoc.o
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