Hi Paul,
I can't find a reference as to how wire recordings should be stored
either. Perhaps someone with the knowledge will post. I also haven't
(knowingly) experienced the cross-talk that has been mentioned in any of
the wire recordings that I have transferred, although I have wondered
about it. Should recorded wire be stored tails out like reel-to-reel
audio tape? All of the wire recordings, that I have encountered, have
been stored heads out. I have only come across a plain steel wire
recording once, and it was on a 1/4" shafted hub.
One thing I can say is that if your institution has a working player, it
would be good to address those wires that have become unraveled. One of
those 'Round Tuit' projects. :)
Best,
CB
Corey Bailey
www.baileyzone.net
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>I'll be honest, I'm struggling to find the reference now. I thought I
>read it here
><https://cool.culturalheritage.org/byform/mailing-lists/arsclist/2009/05/msg00001.html>
>(ARSCLIST post from 2009), but I can't see any discussion of
>orientation there except the initial question. You can probably safely
>ignore my assertion here.
>
>(That thread is also where I saw mention of removing the original
>cardboard container.)
>
>That said, I imagine there might be some difference if the wire is
>partially unravelled, which quite a lot of ours are. We have one
>extreme case of a wire that is very unravelled (fortunately after
>digitization, I'm not sure at what point it became so unravelled), and
>I can imagine it being detrimental to any future salvage to put the
>weight of the vertical spool on the unravelled wire. Also, as the
>proposed microfilm packaging is larger than the wire recording and the
>wire has no original packaging (again, a few cases for us),
>transporting them vertically would lead to rolling, which in the case
>of partially unravelled wire would mean rolling over loose wire. This
>seems unnecessary to me, so if it made no difference otherwise, I would
>be happy to store them flat.
>
>---
>Paul Sutherland
>Archivist at www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR
>Musician at www.hearlambeth.com
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>Hi Paul,
>
>I'm curious; Where did you come across the knowledge that wire
>recordings should be stored flat? I wasn't aware that it could make a
>difference. I was aware that motion picture film is to be stored flat
>but wire recordings?
>
>Best,
>CB
>Corey Bailey
>www.baileyzone.net
>
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>From: "Paul Sutherland" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: 11/11/2022 6:46:32 AM
>Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>
> >Thank you so much everybody!
> >
> >Based on the info so far, I think I may need to go with microfilm
>boxes. Unless someone is able to identify explicitly designed wire
>housing.
> >
> >Corey - I've read that removing the original cardboard boxes is best
>for long-term storage, but yes, there is much metadata on those that it
>would be useful to keep. If others think that it's actually okay to
>keep them in their original cardboard boxes, I would go with this. We
>also unfortunately don't yet have cold storage available for these but
>hopefully soon. Thanks also for the post about playing them.
> >
> >It's also my understanding that they should be stored flat
>(horizontally). I could stack microfilm reels like that in larger
>archival boxes.
> >
> >The Webster-Chicago boxes fit into a 16mm microfilm box. Silvertone
>ones (blue, round boxes) don't, so I would use 35mm microfilm boxes.
> >
> >I'd rather have individual housing than having to construct dividers,
>but that's definitely an option. A 7" or 10.5" reel-to-reel box would
>be quite economical though, divided up that's 4 or 9 spaces for
>3.5"x3.5".
> >
> >Thanks for the reminder to tape the wire down too!
> >
> >Appreciate all the info so far.
> >
> >---
> >Paul Sutherland
> >Archivist at
>www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR<http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR>
><http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR<http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR>>
> >Musician at www.hearlambeth.com<http://www.hearlambeth.com>
> >________________________________
> >From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
><[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Paul Jackson
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> >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 18:10
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> >Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
> >
> >One place to check for such storage boxes would be Uline:
> >https://catalog.uline.com/Fall-Winter-US-2022/82/#
> >
> >Another may be, University Products. They are very good for Museum
> >storage materials. https://www.universityproducts.com/
> >
> >On 11/10/2022 9:43 AM, Lance Watsky wrote:
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> >> Back when I worked at the State of Georgia Archives, we would get
>boxes and create dividers for delicate objects.
> >>
> >> You may want to contact Conversation Supply companies, like
>Gaylord.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Lance
> >>
> >>
> >> Lance Watsky
> >>
> >> Manager of Media Archives & Licensing
> >> Sherman Grinberg Film Library
> >> 21011 Itasca Street
> >> Chatsworth, CA 91311
> >> C: (909) 223-7941<tel:%28909%29%20223-7941>
> >> E:[log in to unmask]
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion
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> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 7:52 AM
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> >> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> We have a number of wire recordings on original spools in original
>cardboard boxes, that we are looking to rehouse. They are standard
>commercial size (2.75" diameter, 0.6-ish" wide). Some are starting to
>unravel, though fortunately they were almost all already digitized. My
>main concern is giving them individual housing so the wires do not
>tangle with others.
> >>
> >> ARSC's guide
>(p64)<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.clir.org_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_sites_6_2015_05_ARSC-2Dw-2Dcover.pdf&d=DwIFAw&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Kp4tmL90KaBMzYo2uBG6UY1FLVcV8J78ZNTo3170Ups&m=n2FQz1znjkBuCJuvfRFTUwlovOe4m0_Z1ytfGUrtjIQ&s=Tiixwv4G0iITLG38Pk71QHrl9YayXLWsnWjivbFtooI&e=>
> says they should be stored in acid-free boxes of the appropriate size,
>but I have not been able to find a vendor selling the right size -
>either labeled as for wire recordings or reel-to-reel audio tapes. I
>imagined I might find 3" reel-to-reel tape boxes at Hollinger or
>Gaylord, but they only go down to 7". The closest possibly suitable
>thing I can find is microfilm storage boxes, but those are also
>slightly bigger (3.75" diameter).
> >>
> >> Does anybody know of a vendor selling acid-free boxes for wire
>recordings? Or has anyone had success getting custom ones made, or
>using something of similar size?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Paul Sutherland
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