DDR,
I'm writing about the "post 2nd WW grunge" Dave Deihl replied about.
GW
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 16:00, Railroads On Parade <
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> DDR
> I just read the email I sent to a Columbia University graduate and they
> understood completely.
> GW
>
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 15:59, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> I am not sure what you mean by "bookish comprehensive resolve" but with
>> respect to Columbia vs. Victor:
>>
>> Munves's observation referred to production at the two labels. Until 1939,
>> when it was purchased by CBS, the Columbia Phonograph Co. had a rather
>> high
>> quality product that didn't sell as well as Victor. Immediately following
>> the sale, the plating in the three-step metalwork of post-1939 Columbias
>> was cheapened and the introduction of mastering on 33-1/3rpm acetate
>> lacquer blanks made the subsequent development of a long-playing record
>> possible in 1947-48, but the dubbing of every approved take from slow
>> speed
>> to 78rpm master resulted in an inferior sounding product, and Columbia 78s
>> from U, S. metals all sounded inferior until the format was abandoned in
>> 1952. Matrices of European manufacture, however, did not have this
>> problem.
>>
>> Victor's "gold" then "white gold" pressings exhibit a similar decline in
>> manufactured quality which, fortunately, was limited to pressing quality,
>> particularly the "wartime" pressings. Vinylite was introduced into the RCA
>> biscuit immediately after WW2 and their discs from that period are
>> quieter,
>> but are frequently bad sounding due to the label's mistaken use of audio
>> limiting in the mastering process.
>>
>> Columbia's success with the Lp and its marketing strategy led to a rapid
>> improvement in the label's sales and production quality. Hence, the second
>> part of Peter Munves's observation.
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> DDR
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 6:36 AM Railroads On Parade <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > Mr. Diehl,
>> > What is the compositional makeup of post war grunge? I'm pretty
>> familiar
>> > with what Carnegie did with the RCA Z recordings, but I've never seen
>> > anybody breakdown what was being watered down and/or what was being
>> added
>> > or subtracted.
>> > The RCA exec R. Peter Munves once told me that Columbia was not so good,
>> > and then it was good, then it was not so good and RCA was better here
>> than
>> > there, but I have never gotten any more than that. I can see and feel
>> the
>> > difference between Columbia gold band and grey, I can hear differences
>> in
>> > HMV pressings and Columbia made in France, I am just at a dead end in
>> any
>> > bookish comprehensive resolve.
>> > GW
>> >
>> > On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 at 21:45, David Diehl <
>> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The Haven sessions were re-released on Chronological Classics 1253.
>> They
>> > > sound pretty clean to me, maybe dubs of test pressings but not typical
>> > > post-war 78 grunge.
>> > >
>> > > David Diehl
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2022 7:49 pm
>> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] acetate and vinylite
>> > >
>> > > Hi Guy - I think it would be worth your while to try a transfer with a
>> > > VRII
>> > > cartridge. Some records that sound terrible with a stereo cartridge
>> can
>> > > sound flawless with a true mono cart-Mickey Clark
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Railroads On Parade
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 2:08 PM
>> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Subject: [ARSCLIST] acetate and vinylite
>> > >
>> > > After searching around for a good sounding Bill De Arango/Ben Webster
>> 78
>> > > Mr.Brim and Dark Corners it occurred to me that after listening to
>> one on
>> > > youtube as rough sounding as mine, and the only transcription I have
>> been
>> > > able to find, a better transcription might not exist. I don't see the
>> > > recordings were ever transferred (please prove me wrong) but what also
>> > came
>> > > to mind is, the different formulas (I assume) of acetates, shellacs
>> and
>> > > vinylite and any documentation of what they were and who used them and
>> > > when?
>> > > My copy and the one on youtube both appear to the eye as new, but
>> sound
>> > as
>> > > if they are not. It simply comes to mind that maybe the mix of the
>> stuff
>> > > used to press the disc was inferior?
>> > > Guy Walker
>> > >
>> >
>>
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