The "post 2nd WW grunge" you ask about is embraced in my earlier reply.

DDR

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 4:04 PM Railroads On Parade <
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> DDR,
> I'm writing about the "post 2nd WW grunge" Dave Deihl replied about.
> GW
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 16:00, Railroads On Parade <
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>
> > DDR
> > I just read the email I sent to a Columbia University graduate and they
> > understood completely.
> > GW
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 15:59, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am not sure what you mean by "bookish comprehensive resolve" but with
> >> respect to Columbia vs. Victor:
> >>
> >> Munves's observation referred to production at the two labels. Until
> 1939,
> >> when it was purchased by CBS, the Columbia Phonograph Co. had a rather
> >> high
> >> quality product that didn't sell as well as Victor. Immediately
> following
> >> the sale, the plating in the three-step metalwork of post-1939 Columbias
> >> was cheapened and the introduction of mastering on 33-1/3rpm acetate
> >> lacquer blanks made the subsequent development of a long-playing record
> >> possible in 1947-48, but the dubbing of every approved take from slow
> >> speed
> >> to 78rpm master resulted in an inferior sounding product, and Columbia
> 78s
> >> from U, S. metals all sounded inferior until the format was abandoned in
> >> 1952. Matrices of European manufacture, however, did not have this
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Victor's "gold" then "white gold" pressings exhibit a similar decline in
> >> manufactured quality which, fortunately, was limited to pressing
> quality,
> >> particularly the "wartime" pressings. Vinylite was introduced into the
> RCA
> >> biscuit immediately after WW2 and their discs from that period are
> >> quieter,
> >> but are frequently bad sounding due to the label's mistaken use of audio
> >> limiting in the mastering process.
> >>
> >> Columbia's success with the Lp and its marketing strategy led to a rapid
> >> improvement in the label's sales and production quality. Hence, the
> second
> >> part of Peter Munves's observation.
> >>
> >> Ciao,
> >>
> >> DDR
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 6:36 AM Railroads On Parade <
> >> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Mr. Diehl,
> >> > What is the compositional makeup of post war grunge?  I'm pretty
> >> familiar
> >> > with what Carnegie did with the RCA Z recordings, but I've never seen
> >> > anybody breakdown what was being watered down and/or what was being
> >> added
> >> > or subtracted.
> >> > The RCA exec R. Peter Munves once told me that Columbia was not so
> good,
> >> > and then it was good, then it was not so good and RCA was better here
> >> than
> >> > there, but I have never gotten any more than that.  I can see and feel
> >> the
> >> > difference between Columbia gold band and grey, I can hear differences
> >> in
> >> > HMV pressings and Columbia made in France, I am just at a dead end in
> >> any
> >> > bookish comprehensive resolve.
> >> > GW
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 at 21:45, David Diehl <
> >> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The Haven sessions were re-released on Chronological Classics 1253.
> >> They
> >> > > sound pretty clean to me, maybe dubs of test pressings but not
> typical
> >> > > post-war 78 grunge.
> >> > >
> >> > >  David Diehl
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2022 7:49 pm
> >> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] acetate and vinylite
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Guy - I think it would be worth your while to try a transfer
> with a
> >> > > VRII
> >> > > cartridge. Some records that sound terrible with a stereo cartridge
> >> can
> >> > > sound flawless with a true mono cart-Mickey Clark
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Railroads On Parade
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 2:08 PM
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Subject: [ARSCLIST] acetate and vinylite
> >> > >
> >> > > After searching around for a good sounding Bill De Arango/Ben
> Webster
> >> 78
> >> > > Mr.Brim and Dark Corners it occurred to me that after listening to
> >> one on
> >> > > youtube as rough sounding as mine, and the only transcription I have
> >> been
> >> > > able to find, a better transcription might not exist.  I don't see
> the
> >> > > recordings were ever transferred (please prove me wrong) but what
> also
> >> > came
> >> > > to mind is, the different formulas (I assume) of acetates, shellacs
> >> and
> >> > > vinylite and any documentation of what they were and who used them
> and
> >> > > when?
> >> > > My copy and the one on youtube both appear to the eye as new, but
> >> sound
> >> > as
> >> > > if they are not.  It simply comes to mind that maybe the mix of the
> >> stuff
> >> > > used to press the disc was inferior?
> >> > > Guy Walker
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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> >
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