What do you think an enhanced to stereo recording I just bought on eBay for
7 dollars sound/be like?
Lester Young Nat King Cole Buddy Rich Trio Giants 3 EX VSP-VERVE
Guy Walker
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 at 17:45, Tim Gillett <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> Yes interesting that the tracks seem not to have been declicked. In
> 1992, digital declicking was fairly new and expensive, only used by
> professionals, but by 2013 (the second CD version) it was
> commonplace. While the use of Denoising has been and still is
> controversial, I dont know of anybody who objects to sensible use of
> Declicking.
>
> It appears only the first four tracks were initially released in 1946
> on Clef 78's. The other 4 tracks appear to only appear on the later LP
> versions.
>
> Interesting to know whether what we hear on the CD's is direct from 78
> discs or from the later LP copies. If the latter that could account
> for at least some of the extra distortion (78 plus added LP
> distortion)
>
> Tim Gillett
>
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> Sent:Wed, 4 Jan 2023 05:12:14 +0000
> Subject:Re: [ARSCLIST] Lester Young Trio
>
> OK, I pulled Verve/Clef CD 521 650-2 off my shelf. All these years
> I've been listening around the noise to get to the music but zeroing
> in on the transfers they sound new (in 1992) and competent- though I
> wish they'd tried some different stylii on a couple of tracks. The
> problem lies in the fact that the restoration was supervised by Phil
> Schaap, a passionate but idiosychratic jazz critic and broadcaster who
> believed that virtually any filtering or processing was evil. I ran a
> couple of tracks through Click Repair and the most obnoxious noise
> went away. revealing some pretty well-recorded performances.
>
> My advice: forget mp-threez and pretty, pricey vinyl. This is a
> fairly common CD (with the leaning tower of Pizza on the cover) and
> well worth the 9 bucks for a decent used copy.
> David
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Railroads On Parade <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tue, Jan 3, 2023 8:29 pm
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Lester Young Trio
>
> 314 521 650 2
> I've got to get to my optometrist.
>
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 20:06, Garrett <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > if it's the one that came out in the mid 90s, when Verve was still
> owned
> > by Polygram, no doesn't sound great. Probably was the best
> available source
> > at the time.
> >
> > It's also the same audio used for the Complete Lester Young boxset.
> >
> > What is the catalog number on the CD you have?
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 4:49 PM, Railroads On Parade <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > I'll speak for myself answering David.
> > > If you can find the 78s, and you can find the right needle
> (stylus) and
> > > moving magnet (people are using new mono cartridges with raves)
> I'd say
> > > they are the most versatile. I found the 78 rpm copy of Back To
> The Land
> > > and it got me looking around for more because it sounded so good.
> > > Today I spent the day listening to the 1994 CD release of The
> Trio, the
> > one
> > > with Nat King Cole and Buddy Rich (there's a Lester Young with
> Oscar
> > > Peterson Trio) and found that if you don't play it too loud it is
> > probably
> > > as good as it gets, I cannot speak for the vinyl but there's one
> 10" over
> > > at Discogs for over two hundred dollars. These recordings can be
> found on
> > > Youtube, and Amazon has MP3s available.
> > > Nat King Cole's interpretations and variations on basic Jelly
> Roll Morton
> > > songwriting is astounding, and the real take-away for me.
> > > Guy Walker
> > >
> > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 18:14, David Katznelson
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> OK...so which version to you all recommend for someone who needs
> to get
> > an
> > >> ear on these recordings?
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 2:07 PM Railroads On Parade <
> > >> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > There are also "alternative" takes, and those are really
> rough.
> > >> > But the majority is acceptable. The music is so thoroughly
> crucial,
> > >> volume
> > >> > control helps a lot.
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Guy
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 16:59, Railroads On Parade <
> > >> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > The reason I bought the CD is because the 78 rpm Back To The
> Land
> > on 78
> > >> > > rpm is flawed, but the CD is probably remastered as an MP3,
> but I
> > don't
> > >> > do
> > >> > > that.
> > >> > > Anyway, they fess up in the small print.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 16:57, David Diehl <
> > >> > > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Those were recorded in 1946 on lacquer disc masters. I
> haven't
> > >> listened
> > >> > >> to the CD recently but my impression was that it was from
> old dubs
> > >> done
> > >> > for
> > >> > >> 1950's reissues. Not a bootleg but very low rent.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> David Diehl
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> > >> From: Railroads On Parade
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> > >> Sent: Tue, Jan 3, 2023 3:30 pm
> > >> > >> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Lester Young Trio
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Clef, a CD I bought sounds as if it was recorded
> straight from
> > >> vinyl
> > >> > >> complete with clicks and static.
> > >> > >> Does Anybody have any insight? It doesn't look like a
> bootleg but
> > >> > people
> > >> > >> do the craziest things.
> > >> > >> Guy Walker
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
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