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From cstu  Fri Jan 27 11:45:18 1995
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From: Colleen Stumbaugh <[log in to unmask]>
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It has been pointed out that the SF-LIT statement implies we are 
interested only in books, but this is not the case.  All forms of science 
fiction and fantasy, regardless of media, are open for discussion.  
Therefore, the ABOUT THE FORUM paragraph in the welcome message has been 
changed.  A edited copy of this is attached below for your information, 
with the additional text in curly brackets.

Colleen Stumbaugh, SF-LIT Moderator & Co-owner
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___________________________________________________________________


ABOUT THE FORUM:

SF-LIT is a moderated computer forum open to anyone interested in
discussing issues related to the literary side of Science Fiction &
Fantasy {in all its various media forms}. SF-LIT provides an opportunity for
members of the international community to participate in discussions
related to reference, research, analysis, and other library and
information center activities in the field of Science Fiction & Fantasy. 


From cstu  Tue Jan 31 07:03:28 1995
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	I thought it might be a good idea if the various SF-LIT members 
introduce themselves and their various interests.  So, I will begin:  as 
my sig shows, I work in the Rare Book Division of the Library of 
Congress.  As a long term fan of SF and fantasy, I was disappointed by 
the poor representation of these genre's in the Rare Book's collections.  
There is a Jules Verne Coll., but few other author's have more than a 
book or two.  Hence I began my quiet campaign to raise the profile of SF 
in my Div.  I have been annotating a copy of R. Reginald's _Science 
fiction and fantasy literature, a checklist, 1700-1974_ for items the 
computer files say are in LC and which are in the Rare Book Div.  This 
will be useful in case we get a SF donation (anyone interested? :-)), to 
show the Div.'s strengths and weaknesses.  Since I do this only during 
off times, it is moving very slowly.
	As a "computer nerd", I also volunteered to assist with our 
gopher, MARVEL.  For those of you interested, you can reach the MARVEL SF 
burrow through:

http: gopher://marvel.loc.gov/employee/clubs/scific

There is information on SF at the Library, a list of conventions, 
exhibits, etc. (which I am currently loading A LOT of information on, so 
if you are interested, keep an eye on this area), and pointers to other 
SF information on the Internet.  At this time we do not have anything up 
on WWW, but that could change and I will let you know when it does.

	This is getting into information overload.  Please post and let 
everyone know what you are currently interested in or want to know more 
about.

Colleen

____________________________________________________________________
Colleen R.C. Stumbaugh                email: [log in to unmask]
Rare Book & Special Collections Division
Library of Congress                          (202)707-4132
Washington, DC. 20540-4861            FAX:   (202)707-4142
These opinions are mine; MINE, MINE, MINE!
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From [log in to unmask]  Tue Jan 31 15:25:58 1995
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From: "CHRISTINE T CALLAHAN" <[log in to unmask]>
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            As suggested by  our moderator Colleen,  I'm introducing myself 
          to  the rest of  the  SF list. My name  is Chris Callahan; I'm  a 
          descriptive cataloger in  the  Arts  and Science Division of  the 
          Library of Congress. I've read  SF voraciously for about 40  yrs. 
          and been an active fan for nearly 22. I'm a member of the Science 
          Fiction Collection Policy Statement Working Group here at LC, and 
          an assistant organizer of  the  employee  group  What IF--Science 
          Fiction and Fantasy Information Forum.  My computer experience is 
          extremely limited, and I'm a newbie on the Net. My SF interest is 
          primarily SF as opposed to fantasy (tho I  do read and enjoy some 
          fantasy also); I tend to prefer sociologically and                
          psychologically oriented fiction, as  opposed  to  "hard"  SF  or 
          (What I see as) space opera, but I'm open to suggestions. 
               Chris 
           
               Christine T. Callahan 
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             My name is Marcella Jones, and I'm  a technician in the Serial
          Record Division of  the Library of Congress. I'm also a member of
          LC's What If ... group. I've been a  SF fan off and  on since the
          '60's. I'm not well versed in the  SF genre, but I'm learning. My
          interest in  SF  is  more atuned to getting into space ships  and
          exploring the universe. "Where no  one has gone before "  sort of
          thing. My computer experience is limited, and  I like Chris am  a
          newbie on the Net. I would like to get my  own home computer, but
          I like to travel too much.
           That's all for now.
           Marcella

          Marcella Jones
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   The first introductions being from the Library of Congress, I 
suppose I qualify as one of the country cousins.:-)  My name is Tina 
LaMarch and I work at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee in the 
the library's Media Services department.  I have been a rabid fan of 
sci-fi and fantasy since the first time I saw "Metroplis."  No 
bookshelf is safe.  I also have a great fondness for the B-grade (and 
no-grade) movies in the genre.  Well, see you on the Net.
                                               Tina LaMarch

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Ok! So I will probably be the only nonlibrarian heard from.  I'm Bob 
Thompson,a sociologist at Minot State University.  With ten feet of snow and 
40 below, I have to gobble up SF and fantasy to survive.  Thanks for the 
opportunity to join you.
Robert Thompson
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        I just subscribed and it looks as though introductions are in 
order.
        My name is Dennis Abblitt, originally from England; but in 
Canada since 1967.
        The first SF novel that I read was Earth Abides by George 
Stewart in 1952. This had a huge impression on me and I don"t think 
that I"ve read a better SF novel since.
        My title is Assistant Chief Librarian at the Ward Chipman 
Library, UNB, Saint John. For some strange reason one of my main 
responsibilities has been curator in charge of the "Science Fiction 
and Fantasy Collection", which by peculiar coincidence was started in 
1967. This collection now consists of some 20,000 books and 20,000 
magazines, jornals and fanzines.

                                DENNIS ABBLITT 





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I'm on the list at a friend's recommendation, but I'm not a librarian. 
I've been reading sf since I learned to read, thanks to my father's 
massive collection of 35 cent Ace doubles. I admit that I haven't kept up 
with the new offerings, and look forward to others' opinions.

Katja


Katja Stokley               # Come, let us hasten to a higher plane
[log in to unmask]            # Where dyads tread the fairy fields of Venn,
George Mason University     # Their indices bedecked from one to n,
                            # Commingled in an endless Markov chain!


From [log in to unmask]  Wed Feb  1 21:32:05 1995
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My name is Linda Frakes, and I'm an ILL/DDS supervisor at Arizona State Univers
ity.  I have been reading SF since the late 70's.  Some of my all time favorite
 authors are Cliff Simak, Asimov, and Phil Dick.  My experience on the net is l
imited, mostly due to time factors.  I hope to interact in this discussion grou
p as time allows.

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Hi,  my name is Gary Freiburger.  I've been reading Science Fiction since 
elementary school in the late 50's (if Tom Swift counts!)  Although my 
knee-jerk reaction is that I prefer "hard" science fiction, I think that I'm moving 
more toward work which  stresses character development and sociological 
import.  I usually say that I "can't stand" fantasy, but find that I do enjoy a little 
"magic" now and then, although for some reason I can accept aliens but not 
dwarfs and goblins!

I've recently been reading the "Homecoming" series by Orson Scott Card, one 
of my favorite authors.  Interesting characters in a matriarchal society.

I look forward to some interesting discussions and to hearing who your 
favorite authors are and why.

I like this idea of introductions - a little bit of civility on the net!  It's nice to 
meet you all.
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Gary Freiburger, Deputy Director       PHONE:  410-706-7545
Health Sciences Library                FAX:    410-706-3101
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Hi all! My name is Jim Clark. I am a copy cataloger in the Rivera Library at
the University of California, Riverside. I have been one of the catalogers
of the Eaton Collection of Science Fiction and Fantasy Literature, here in
the Library, for over 8 years. I am very fond of stories involving Time
Travel (love those Back to the Future movies!! :D). I'm looking forward to
these discussions! Bye for now.

Jim Clark

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Hi everyone!

My name is Joan Wilson.  I'm a Library Assistant in the
Reference Department at the HAMPTON PUBLIC LIBRARY in Hampton,
Virginia.  My first exposure to science fiction came by way of
a friend I had in high school and a book called Sunburst.  From
there I proceeded to work my way through as many books as
possible in the sci-fi section of the MAY MEMORIAL PUBLIC
LIBRARY in Burlington, North Carolina.

Like Tina LaMarch, I too love B-grade sci-fi movies.  I have
also started a personal project of tring to read the books that
some sci-fi movies are based on.
-- 
Joan Wilson
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Hampton Public Library
Hampton, VA

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Greetings to all, my name is Julia Ree.  I am a cataloger (staff, not
librarian) at the Rivera Library, UC Riverside in California, and I've been
cataloging SF & F on and off for approx. 8 years.  I'm also a very newbie on
the net, so please excuse, if mistakes abound.  We here at Riverside have
the EATON collection of SF & F.  It's a huge grouping of just about
everything you'd expect of a Science Fiction Collection, and then some.
We've been known to catalog everything from the mundane (monographs, serials
(including Fanzines), comic books, etc.) to the outrageous (SF T-shirts).
Because the Eaton Collection is also tied to the University in an academic
way, via the Lit and Lang Dept., the library and L&L also sponsor the Eaton
Conference (17 years and going strong), which is a scholarly treatment of
whatever the conference topic happens to be in a given year.
I also happen to be an SF AND F fan, although finding time to read lately,
has been a real challenge.  My tastes run the gamut from comic books (25+
years of collecting) to hard and soft SF to classical Fantasy.  My current
interest is Anne McCaffrey, although she's cranking them out so fast, I just
can't keep up.  Oh, and yes, I'm a diehard Trekker. (does this automatically
disqualify me from the list?)

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Hello, everyone!

Greetings from Texas.  I am a copy cataloger at the amazing DeGolyer
Library of Southern Methodist University.  I'm really glad to see this
list developing so quickly, with so many interesting members, and to have
the chance to discuss SF, etc. with people of different ages and backgrounds.

As a kid I read C.S. Lewis' _The Chronicles of Narnia_, and my first
science fiction readings were probably Eleanor Cameron's "Mushroom Planet"
series.  I still have my volumes of John Christopher's _Tripods_ trilogy. 
Looking back at this list, I see that they all share an ability to make a
young reader imagine herself into the story.

Fantasy doesn't do much for me, except for Tolkien's _The Lord of the
Rings_, which I like because it has a historical feel to it.  I've read
some Piers Anthony on recommendations from others, but I feel that
although he has some interesting story ideas, he could really use a more
vigilant editor.

I also admit, very sheepishly, to reading _Star Trek_ stories (based on the
first series; and not the Blish novelizations).  Ihaven't been on the planet 
long enough to have gotten much exposure to the grand masters of science
fiction (Farmer, Dick, Asimov, etc.), but I have a long reading list!  


Karen Warton
DeGolyer Library, SMU







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Well, since everyone is introducing themselves, I guess I will, too.  I'm
actually not a librarian at all, but a reviewer and aspiring writer.  I 
used to review fantasy and science fiction for Publishers Weekly, and now
I review for Horror: A Magazine of Horror and Dark Fantasy (and despite
their title, they review all sorts of stuff).

Most of my reading is fantasy, with occasional "soft" SF thrown in.  I never
got into "hard" SF like Pohl, Bova, etc.  My favorite current authors are
Guy Gavriel Kay, Ellen Kushner and Emma Bull.  And I have to admit to liking
the _Star Trek: DS9_ novelizations.  They've had some really impressive
writers doing them.

Marina Frants
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Hi,
 I work at UMBC.  I have been reading SF for several years.  I have
to admit that I tend to favor Fantasy though I enjoy all kinds of
SF.  So that I get a good variety of reading I subscribe to
Fantasy and Science Fiction Magazine.  I'm also in the process
of subscribing to some others.  I would be interested in hearing
comments on various SF magazines.  Additionally, I'm not
ashamed to say I enjoy all the different Star Trek series and
books.  Lidia Schechter

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Hello!  I'm Kim Sanderson.  I am head of cataloguing at Davidson College
in North Carolina.  Although I'm not a die-hard SF person, I used to read
Bradbury and Le Guin years ago and now watch the various Star Treks and
MST3K.  I joined this list to learn more about the genre.  I am currently
working on a novel which is set in the future and has elements of SF/Fantasy.
I'm just not sure what it's going to be when it "grows up."

Kim Sanderson
Davidson College Library
PO Box 1837
Davidson, NC 28036
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	Several of you have noticed that when you post to SF-LIT, it
sometimes does not return your posting very quickly (a bit of an
understatement).  That is because this listserv is moderated.  Whenever
you post a message, it passes through me, the moderator, and I send it on
to the list, if there is no problem with the message.  Problems messages
are messages intended for the LISTPROC, two or three words replies ("I
agree"), items on topics not appropriate to SF-LIT (a very liberal
interpretation on that) and replies or messages to a single SF-LIT user,
which you should send to that person, not the listserv.  So 99% of all
message go through without a hitch.
	Now for the hitch; I must regularly send the messages forward and 
there may be a few hour delay while I am working on other things. I'd 
love to monitor SF-LIT more, but I feel I should do some of my job 
occasionally. :-)  Last night the list came to a grinding halt because my 
computer died, but I have been given a loaner while repairs/replacement
are on going, so there should be no further long delays.  Please also 
keep in mind that I am on EST, and if you post after I go to bed, it may 
have to wait until the next day.  I do refuse to give up sleeping, even 
for SF-LIT. ;-)
	
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    Greetigs! Tom Whitehead and I've joined the list because of 
curatorial responsibilities for the Science Fiction & Fantasy
Collection at the Temple University Libraries.  Temple initiated
its collecting in 1972 as strictly "science fiction" (whose
definition?) and in 1987 began adding fantasy.  I grew up on Dick,
Dickson, Tubb, Asimov and others of the '50s, and still reread them!

    To Colleen: a good Moderator gets no sleep - sits through the 
night at her terminal!


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From [log in to unmask]  Fri Feb  3 16:16:19 1995
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Lidia Schechter writes:

>.................. I would be interested in hearing
>comments on various SF magazines. [snip]

My current favorites are _Realms of Fantasy_ and _Marion Zimmer Bradley's
Fantasy Magazine_.  Both publish a good assortment of fantasy stories, both
traditional and not-so-traditional.  Both have excellent illustrations and
beautiful covers.  RoF is glossier, and has color illustrations.  It also
has lots of non-fiction features -- book reviews, some media and TV coverage,
a running column on folklore, etc.  MZB has more work by new writers.

RoF's sister magazine, _Science Fiction Age_, looks just as good, but I
haven't read much of it (not my thing).

These are both professional magazines, of course, but at SF conventions I
often see copies of semi-prozines and small-press magazines, some of them
containing excellent work by respected buy "non-mainsteam" writers.  I almost
never see these magazines in stores, only in convention dealer rooms.  Do
any libraries collect them?  I suspect that a lot of great genre fiction is
falling through the cracks.

Marina Frants
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From: Camille <@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU:[log in to unmask]>
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Tom--Hi!

I'm Camille Bacon-Smith, also at Temple University.  I teach sf and fantasy,
write about it, and lately have tried my hand at writing it as well.

The first sf I ever read was I, Robot.  I fell in love with the idea that
a woman could be a scientist, and decided right then and there that I
would be a scientist too.  In high school, my teachers persuaded me not
to do this.  They were sure I wouldn't survive the training, because I
either fell of my lab stool in a dead faint in biology, or nearly blew up
the lab in chemistry, or did blow up the lab in physics.

My second choice was to write about science, but eventually I realized
that I liked the fiction part better.  So now I write books about sf
(ENTERPRISING WOMEN), books that are fantasy, (not out until next January)
and teach basic writing courses and sf lit to pay the bills.

Hello, out  there!  Stephanie, have you signed on yet?  Anybody else
I know here yet?  Sinya?  Eric, Hi!

Camille

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I have been reading science fiction and fantasy since high school, lo these
many years ago.  I am most interested in literature I call "metaphysical," by
which I mean that concerned with the moral foundations of the universe--or, to
put it another way, the nature of ultimate reality.  The group of works I call
my Big 5 (big in terms of size and in terms of their "metaphysical" reach) are
J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth oeuvre (The Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion,
and all his manuscripts published by Christopher Tolkien), C.S. Lewis'
Chronicles of Narnia, Stephen R. Donaldson's Chronicles of Thomas Covenant,
Brian Aldiss' Helliconia trilogy, and Roger Zelazny's first Chronicles of
Amber.  This is not to exclude many other fine writers and favorite works!--
the list of other books I have enjoyed and re-read is much longer.

Walter F. Nickeson
Copy Cataloger
University of Rochester Libraries
Rochester, NY
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	It seems I am jinxed; the loaner computer I brought home had a 
bad hard disk controller!  So even though DC has had snow (which causes 
many of the locals to abandon their cars on the beltway), I drove to a 
friend's house so I could send the messages forward; how's that for 
dedication? (Actually, I was coming here anyway).  A new part is on order 
for my computer, so we will be back in full service by Friday.  The 
hardware problems may mean I will not be able to post Sunday's messages 
until Monday, so please be patient.  For all you snow bound victims, I 
will try and post everything regularly today.

Colleen

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Obviously, Murphey's law is still alive and well in D.C.  Hang in there.

>	It seems I am jinxed; the loaner computer I brought home had a 
>bad hard disk controller!  So even though DC has had snow (which causes 
>many of the locals to abandon their cars on the beltway), I drove to a 
>friend's house so I could send the messages forward; how's that for 
>dedication? (Actually, I was coming here anyway).  A new part is on order 
>for my computer, so we will be back in full service by Friday.  The 
>hardware problems may mean I will not be able to post Sunday's messages 
>until Monday, so please be patient.  For all you snow bound victims, I 
>will try and post everything regularly today.
>
>Colleen
>
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>
Robert Thompson
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          Hi, all.  Here  is  my brief introduction.  I'm another cataloger 
          from  the Library of Congress (obviously a  hotbed of  scifi  and 
          fantasy lovers; could  this  be  because  we're  exposed  to  the 
          well-known real-life pressures "inside  the Beltway"?).  My  work 
          is  mostly  with materials from  the  Middle  East,  so  it's  no 
          surprise that it was *Dune* that crystallized my interest in  the 
          genre (of course I'd also soaked up  a lot of Heinlein and Asimov 
          before encountering works that were perfect for me).   I continue 
          to  like  the "anthropological" type  of  scifi best,  and  enjoy 
          authors like LeGuin and Bujold.  I have leanings toward Sword and 
          Sorcery too, and Marion Zimmer Bradley; and I really go  for time 
          travel and parallel universes.  I, like others of you, have tried 
          to write (I started that novel  in  1969, and  have nearly thirty 
          pages  done already).  I  look  forward  to  hearing  about  your 
          favorites and philosophies. 
           
          Joan Biella, [log in to unmask]                                  

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Hi everyone!  When Colleen's computer went belly up, it appears
that my original introduction was "lost in space".  Colleen
said she thought she sent it through but I haven't seen it.  If
it did slip by me just delete this, it's the same old intro.

My name is Joan Wilson & I'm a Library Assistant in the
Reference Department of the Hampton Public Library in Hampton,
Virginia.  I was introduced to science fiction by a friend in
high school.  From the first book called Sunburst, I then
proceeded to read as many books as I could in the science
fiction section of my local library.  I admit without shame
that I am a Trekker.  I love pure science fiction over
fantasy.  However, C. S. Lewis & Lloyd Alexander are two of my
favorite authors.  Finally, I also love B grade science fiction
movies & the introductions on this list.

-- 
Joan Wilson
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I'm not sure if my last message made it to the list, so I'll post it again.
Apologies if you get it twice.
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Lidia Schechter writes:

>.................. I would be interested in hearing
>comments on various SF magazines. [snip]

My current favorites are _Realms of Fantasy_ and _Marion Zimmer Bradley's
Fantasy Magazine_.  Both publish a good assortment of fantasy stories, both
traditional and not-so-traditional.  Both have excellent illustrations and
beautiful covers.  RoF is glossier, and has color illustrations.  It also
has lots of non-fiction features -- book reviews, some media and TV coverage,
a running column on folklore, etc.  MZB has more work by new writers.

RoF's sister magazine, _Science Fiction Age_, looks just as good, but I
haven't read much of it (not my thing).

These are both professional magazines, of course, but at SF conventions I
often see copies of semi-prozines and small-press magazines, some of them
containing excellent work by respected buy "non-mainsteam" writers.  I almost
never see these magazines in stores, only in convention dealer rooms.  Do
any libraries collect them?  I suspect that a lot of great genre fiction is
falling through the cracks.

Marina Frants
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I will be teaching Science Fiction again this summer.  In the past I have
used a pretty traditional "development of certain issues in the field"
approach, with works from the forties to the present.  I have always used
a very strict definition of science fiction as well.

This year, I want to do something completely different.  I want to use
materials published in the eighties and nineties that show the current
direction of science fiction, fantasy, and horror.  I have a few titles
I want to use, but I'd like to have some input about what new works or
authors they consider of lasting value in the three genres.

Thanks,

Camille

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	It has come to my attention that many of you are not aware that 
when you subscribed to SF-LIT, your mail was set to NO ACK, which means 
you will not receive a copy of your posts to SF-LIT.  If you wish to 
change this so you DO receive a copy of your postings, send a message to 
[log in to unmask] with the following text:
	SET SF-LIT MAIL ACK
This is all you need to do, and the system will send a reply telling you 
it is done.
	If you wish to see what your settings are, send the following 
text to [log in to unmask]:
	SET SF-LIT
and you will be sent your current account settings.  
	Since I was unaware of the settings when I opened up my SF-LIT 
account and had the exact same problem, it obviously is not standard to 
very listserv.  I want to thank Karen and Bob (you know who you are) for 
helping me with this problem.

Colleen

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I not sure whether this should go to the net or personally to Camille.

Two suggestions:  Be sure to get the new(er) females authors.  Many have a 
unique viewpoint, I think.  Also, the new writers series under Ron Hubbard's 
name is uneven but points out the best of the new.
Robert Thompson
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Dr. Robert--do you have any names in mind when you speak of newer
women writers, or the Hubbard writers?  I use mostly novels, because
it is just easier to deal with than finding the stories I'd like to
teach and then making the students buy half a dozen different anthos
for as many stories.  It makes them mad because they "wasted" so much
money!

By the way, I thought this was the very kind of discussion the sf-lit
board was set up to discuss (among others, of course).  I figured we
can't just introduce ourselves forever--at some point, we have to start
talking about sf!         Camille
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> This year, I want to do something completely different.  I want to use
> materials published in the eighties and nineties that show the current
> direction of science fiction, fantasy, and horror.  I have a few titles
> I want to use, but I'd like to have some input about what new works or
> authors they consider of lasting value in the three genres.

	hi camille,
	  a current author that i have found, quite by accident, is tanya
huff.  she has severel series out in strait fantasy and modern vampire.  i
will be the first to admit i thought she was nothing more than a hack
writter in the feild, and i was pleasently and totally suprised.  her work
is original and complete and the characters are beyond belief!  i highly
recomend her.
	other authors of fantasy that i like are david eddings raymond e.
fiest (fiest isn't THAT good,but i like some of his things)
	and the best author, in my opinion of sci-fi is orson scott card. 
his writting is adictive.  most of his stuff that i have read was 80s/90s. 
pick up _ender's game_, _the speaker for the dead_ and wryms.
	i don't really read horror, so i can't help you there.

			-Katie...:)

		> 


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> This year, I want to do something completely different.  I want to use
> materials published in the eighties and nineties that show the current
> direction of science fiction, fantasy, and horror.  I have a few titles
> I want to use, but I'd like to have some input about what new works or
> authors they consider of lasting value in the three genres.

	hi camille,
	  a current author that i have found, quite by accident, is tanya
huff.  she has severel series out in strait fantasy and modern vampire.  i
will be the first to admit i thought she was nothing more than a hack
writter in the feild, and i was pleasently and totally suprised.  her work
is original and complete and the characters are beyond belief!  i highly
recomend her.
	other authors of fantasy that i like are david eddings raymond e.
fiest (fiest isn't THAT good,but i like some of his things)
	and the best author, in my opinion of sci-fi is orson scott card. 
his writting is adictive.  most of his stuff that i have read was 80s/90s. 
pick up _ender's game_, _the speaker for the dead_ and wryms.
	i don't really read horror, so i can't help you there.

			-Katie...:)

		> 


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   Melissa Scott and Katherine DeForrest have strong female and often 
lesbian main characters.  They are good authors to start with for 
different viewpoints.  

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               Camille Bacon-Smith asked  for suggestions of  newer authors 
          for  an  SF course. Right off  I'd suggest C.J. Cherryh and James 
          Morrow. Cherryh because (IMHO) she  has totally changed the  face 
          of  interstellar  warfare,  trade,  political relationships, etc. 
          with  her  Merchanter Universe.  She  has  created  a believable, 
          lived-in  universe   with  realistic  characters  interacting  in 
          believable ways.  And  she's  done  it  by  showing  rather  than 
          telling, for  the  most part,  in  each novel throwing the reader 
          directly into  the middle of everything and presenting only  what 
          detailsare necessary at  any one point. The details come together 
          like the pieces of  a puzzle as the story goes on, so that by the 
          end everything fits together logically--and hardly ever does  she 
          distract attention by inserting chunks of explanation. Her  style 
          seems to grate on  some people--its spareness in particular could 
          be  offputting. Personally  I  like  her  writing  (sf,  not  the 
          fantasy) very  much,  and  will automatically buy  a  new Cherryh 
          hardcover without thinking twice. 
               I  also recommend James Morrow very highly. He  is likely to 
          be offensive to many readers (in fact he almost seems to  go  out 
          of his way to offend as many people as possible�), but he  is one 
          of  the  few writers I've come across who seriously make  use  of 
          religion and morality as  themes  in  sf  or fantasy. Granted, he 
          uses  them  in  a satirical fashion, but  he forces the reader to 
          think about the issues, aswell as  about the reader's reaction to 
          what  he (Morrow) has written--and maybe  about  the reader's own 
          beliefs as well. The titles I  know offhand (I  have  all  3   of 
          them) are THIS IS THE WAY THE WORLD ENDS, ONLY BEGOTTEN DAUGHTER, 
          and TOWING JEHOVAH. 
               I'll  be interested in seeing what  other people suggest and 
          why, and also, Camille, what authors you alredy have in mind. 
               Chris Callahan 
           
               So many books, so little time�                               

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>From Gary L. Swaty [[log in to unmask]]

Marina Frants asked:
>These are both professional magazines, of course, but at SF conventions I
>often see copies of semi-prozines and small-press magazines, some of them
>containing excellent work by respected buy "non-mainsteam" writers.  I
almost
>never see these magazines in stores, only in convention dealer rooms.  Do
>any libraries collect them?  I suspect that a lot of great genre fiction is
>falling through the cracks.

   Marina,
I can provide you with the address of one semi-prozine, the names of several
libraries and the 
E-mail addresses of several resource persons, You may also consult the mid
1994
archive of the rare book listserve EXLIBRIS, which contains an extended
discussion
on the subject of collecting fanzines and femi-prozines. Another source of
semi-pro
materials is the New England Science Fiction Association.

The Zine is ConNotations. It is published three times a year by the
Central Arizona Speculative Fiction Society. Its address is:
ConNotations
P.O. 62613
Phoenix AZ 85082-2613
Send enquiries via E-mail to; [log in to unmask] [Matthew Frederick/Margaret
Grady 
Editors]

Bowling Green State University
Popular Culture Library
E-mail to [log in to unmask] [Alision Scott]

Rutgers
E-mail to  [log in to unmask]

Arizona State University Library
  Has all of ConNotations and most of its precursor MAW.
It collects only Arizona authors and zines.

University of California Riverside
   I have found that this library holds odd SF related publications.
Examples: It is the only west coast holding library for MZB Fantasy Magazine
and it has MAW.

The New England Science Fiction Society
Box G, MIT Branch
Cambridge MA 02139

I hope this helps.
                    Gary

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Well, I'm not Dr. Robert, but here are a few "newer women writers" who I
believe changed the genre, and some of their best books.  This is all IMOHO,
of course.

Ellen Kushner -- _Swordspoint_, _Thomas the Rhymer_
Emma Bull __ _Bonedance_
Susan Shwartz -- _Grail of Hearts_
Delia Sherman -- _The Porcelain Dove_
Nancy Kress -- _Beggars in Spain_

If you decide to teach some horror novels, try Nancy Collins (_Sunglasses
After Dark_).

Please let us know what you end up teaching.

Marina Frants
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Thanks for the ideas.  I was wondering which of Emma Bull's books to
use--do you guys think BONEDANCE is a better bet than WAR OF THE OAKS?

I'm thinking about using Nancy Kress's short stories, if Pulphouse still
has "Price of Oranges" available.  I think she is about the best at short
form in the business.  And Nancy Collins would be a good choice for horror--
any good new guys writing out there?

As for CJ Cherryh, she is my all time favorite.  But I can't figure out
how to teach her to a group that is not already familiar with her work.
This is fun!  Camille
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I've read Melissa Scott, and expect I'll use BURNING BRIGHT again, but
I don't know Katherine DeForrest's work.  Can you tell us more about her?

Camille

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I've read Melissa Scott, and expect I'll use BURNING BRIGHT again, but
I don't know Katherine DeForrest's work.  Can you tell us more about her?

Camille

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	The Library of Congress has an employee organization called What
IF..., a forum on SF and fantasy which meets once a month.  These meetings
are open to all interested parties, not just Library employees.  If you
are in the DC area during one of our meetings, please feel free to drop
in.  For more detailed information (directions to the Library, room, etc.)
please send me email ([log in to unmask]).  The Feb.  meeting announcement is
below. 

Colleen Stumbaugh, SF-LIT Moderator and Co-owner
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                 The LCPA What IF . . . Science Fiction Forum 
                                   Presents 
 
                            "CON LOVERS TELL ALL : 
                   What IS a Science Fiction Convention?"  
           
 
 
                       Tuesday, February 14th 12:10 PM 
                      Law Library Conference Room, LM240 
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                    Please feel free to bring your lunch.  
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I thought some of you might be interested in a convenient place to look at 
sf and other awards.  Try it at:(I'm using Netscape)
        http://www.Im.com/~Imann/awards/

Lists all the nebula, hugo and stoker awards through time.  If the address 
doesn't work for your setup, maybe someone can suggest how to get there via 
other routes.  

I'd like to know if you think this kind of info is helpful for the list.

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   Dr. Robert Thompson wrote
>I thought some of you might be interested in a convenient place to look at 
>sf and other awards.  Try it at:(I'm using Netscape)
>        http://www.Im.com/~Imann/awards/

>Lists all the nebula, hugo and stoker awards through time.  If the address 
>doesn't work for your setup, maybe someone can suggest how to get there via 
>other routes.  

Lists of award winners are in the Science Fiction archives on
gandalf.rutgers.edu
The lists are in directory pub/sfl with these file names:

hugos.txt
nebulas.txt
world-fantasy-awards.txt

  They can be downloaded via FTP.
                              Gary
                              [Gary L. Swaty]


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In a research (Ph.D.) I am doing on WOMEN AND SCIENCE FICTION, I need to 
get some informations concerning the community who reads SF.
These are the 2 most important things I need to know:
1) When women read SF, what are the authors (M or F) they use to read;
2) What female authors SF readers (M or F) think are the best.
If you have some informations about this, please let me know. You can 
also help me in my research by sending me a list: 
- of 5 of your favorite SF authors (M or F) OF YOU ARE A WOMAN;
- of 5 of your favorite female SF authors IF YOU ARE A MAN.
Thank you in advance
Sylvie Berard
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Has anyone else here read Zombies of the Gene Pool or Bimbos of the 
Death Sun?  They are mystery rather than sci-fi books, but they give 
an interesting view of sci-fi fandom.
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Hello SF-Lit.  Some of you might have noticed that our moderator Colleen 
only claims to be the Co-Owner of this list.  In case anyone was 
wondering who the other Co-Owner was (and if you have that much free time 
maybe you can come by and give me some help as I am now working two 
regular jobs :-)), well that other Co-Owner is me.  My third irregular job is
that of the Library of Congress' Recommending Officer for Science Fiction.
And yes, LC actually has such a position--although it is just a set of 
additional duties assigned to someone who already has one or more jobs here.
I am actually LC's second SFRO (this is the Government, after all, so 
acronyms are important) replacing Joseph Mayhew who retired in 1993.  I also
happen to be the head of LC's Science Fiction Policy Working Group.

The main purpose of my existence as SFRO (and it is a limited existence 
as I don't have too much time to devote to it) is to raise the profile of 
SF both here at LC and hopefully by extension to other libraries in the 
US.  I am fortunate to have an excellent group of eight other LC staffers 
helping me out in the SF Policy Working Group who actually end up doing 
most of the SF related work here at LC.

What are we doing to raise the profile of SF here at LC and beyond?  
Well, this ListServ (with its loc.gov domain) is one thing.  I am 
grateful to Colleen Stumbaugh who has agreed to moderate it.  Colleen 
(along with Stephanie Hall) has also been busy adding pointers to SF 
related Internet resources on LC's Gopher--LC Marvel.  If you haven't 
checked out our gopher, you should (marvel.loc.gov) and if you find that we 
are missing some pointers, you should send any relevant information to 
Colleen ([log in to unmask]).

Another thing that the SF Policy Working Group has done is to set up a 
monthly information forum called "What IF ...?" which brings various SF
speakers to LC on the first Tuesday of every month.  While Colleen already
made an annoucement about this, I would like to thank Sinya Schaeffer who 
actually runs the information forum--with help from Christine Callahan 
and, of course, Colleen.

The main reason that the SF Policy Working Group was established, 
however, was to create LC's Collection Policy Statement for Fantasy and 
Science Fiction as well as LC's Guidlines for Collecting Fantasy and 
Science Fiction.  The final drafts of both of these documents are now 
ready and will begin circulating within LC management.  Our hope is that 
these documents (the first ever policy statements for a literary genre 
here at LC) will help give SF an official home here as soon as 
they are approved.  They will also let me begin my real work as the SFRO.

We are also working on other initiatives but these three activities 
should give you an idea of what we have been up to.

I am glad to see that there are 86 people signed up on this list so far.  
But Colleen and I would like to see it grow a lot more.  So go ahead and 
tell your friends that SF-LIT (which is NOT supposed to mean SF MINUS LIT 
but SF PLUS LIT) is up and running.  While most of you seem to have .edu 
domains, we would like to see this list spread beyond libraries and 
universities and include anyone who is interested in discussing the more 
serious or literary side of SF.  One of the reasons that we chose the 
"snobby" side of SF (besides the obvious) is other lists (SF-LOVERS, 
etc.) already cover the less snobby sides.  We hope that this list will 
help librarians, researchers, academics, and serious readers exchange SF 
related information on a regular basis.  While someone jokingly wondered 
whether admiting to liking Star Trek might be a reason for being excluded 
from this list, I think that the way to approach it is this:  if you want 
to discuss what annoyed you about the third episode of Voyager, you might 
want to post that message on the appropriate Star Trek listserv.  If you 
are helping someone write their doctoral dissertation on Star Trek and 
popular American culture, then SF-LIT might be the appropriate place for 
that particular message.  You can use your own judgement for everything 
in between.

As to what SF I enjoy, the signature box should give you one clue.  But 
besides PKD, I admire Alice Sheldon (AKA James Tiptree, Jr.) and Ursula K. 
LeGuin as well as a scattering of writers and works from throughout the 
field.  Take care.  EAJ


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Has anyone else here read Zombies of the Gene Pool or Bimbos of the 
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an interesting view of sci-fi fandom.
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Hello SF-Lit.  Some of you might have noticed that our moderator Colleen 
only claims to be the Co-Owner of this list.  In case anyone was 
wondering who the other Co-Owner was (and if you have that much free time 
maybe you can come by and give me some help as I am now working two 
regular jobs :-)), well that other Co-Owner is me.  My third irregular job is
that of the Library of Congress' Recommending Officer for Science Fiction.
And yes, LC actually has such a position--although it is just a set of 
additional duties assigned to someone who already has one or more jobs here.
I am actually LC's second SFRO (this is the Government, after all, so 
acronyms are important) replacing Joseph Mayhew who retired in 1993.  I also
happen to be the head of LC's Science Fiction Policy Working Group.

The main purpose of my existence as SFRO (and it is a limited existence 
as I don't have too much time to devote to it) is to raise the profile of 
SF both here at LC and hopefully by extension to other libraries in the 
US.  I am fortunate to have an excellent group of eight other LC staffers 
helping me out in the SF Policy Working Group who actually end up doing 
most of the SF related work here at LC.

What are we doing to raise the profile of SF here at LC and beyond?  
Well, this ListServ (with its loc.gov domain) is one thing.  I am 
grateful to Colleen Stumbaugh who has agreed to moderate it.  Colleen 
(along with Stephanie Hall) has also been busy adding pointers to SF 
related Internet resources on LC's Gopher--LC Marvel.  If you haven't 
checked out our gopher, you should (marvel.loc.gov) and if you find that we 
are missing some pointers, you should send any relevant information to 
Colleen ([log in to unmask]).

Another thing that the SF Policy Working Group has done is to set up a 
monthly information forum called "What IF ...?" which brings various SF
speakers to LC on the first Tuesday of every month.  While Colleen already
made an annoucement about this, I would like to thank Sinya Schaeffer who 
actually runs the information forum--with help from Christine Callahan 
and, of course, Colleen.

The main reason that the SF Policy Working Group was established, 
however, was to create LC's Collection Policy Statement for Fantasy and 
Science Fiction as well as LC's Guidlines for Collecting Fantasy and 
Science Fiction.  The final drafts of both of these documents are now 
ready and will begin circulating within LC management.  Our hope is that 
these documents (the first ever policy statements for a literary genre 
here at LC) will help give SF an official home here as soon as 
they are approved.  They will also let me begin my real work as the SFRO.

We are also working on other initiatives but these three activities 
should give you an idea of what we have been up to.

I am glad to see that there are 86 people signed up on this list so far.  
But Colleen and I would like to see it grow a lot more.  So go ahead and 
tell your friends that SF-LIT (which is NOT supposed to mean SF MINUS LIT 
but SF PLUS LIT) is up and running.  While most of you seem to have .edu 
domains, we would like to see this list spread beyond libraries and 
universities and include anyone who is interested in discussing the more 
serious or literary side of SF.  One of the reasons that we chose the 
"snobby" side of SF (besides the obvious) is other lists (SF-LOVERS, 
etc.) already cover the less snobby sides.  We hope that this list will 
help librarians, researchers, academics, and serious readers exchange SF 
related information on a regular basis.  While someone jokingly wondered 
whether admiting to liking Star Trek might be a reason for being excluded 
from this list, I think that the way to approach it is this:  if you want 
to discuss what annoyed you about the third episode of Voyager, you might 
want to post that message on the appropriate Star Trek listserv.  If you 
are helping someone write their doctoral dissertation on Star Trek and 
popular American culture, then SF-LIT might be the appropriate place for 
that particular message.  You can use your own judgement for everything 
in between.

As to what SF I enjoy, the signature box should give you one clue.  But 
besides PKD, I admire Alice Sheldon (AKA James Tiptree, Jr.) and Ursula K. 
LeGuin as well as a scattering of writers and works from throughout the 
field.  Take care.  EAJ


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To SF-LITers,
	Yesterday the replacement part from my home computer arrived aaaaaand
(drumroll), it still does not work.  Now the broken piece of ... er, 
computer is at the repair shop, so I am still unable to forward messages 
except at work.  The list is not overwhelmed right now and I hope to have 
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Another bit of hope is that soon I plan to buy a new computer and will 
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To SF-LITers,
	Yesterday the replacement part from my home computer arrived aaaaaand
(drumroll), it still does not work.  Now the broken piece of ... er, 
computer is at the repair shop, so I am still unable to forward messages 
except at work.  The list is not overwhelmed right now and I hope to have 
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Another bit of hope is that soon I plan to buy a new computer and will 
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have this problem again.

Colleen

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From [log in to unmask]  Tue Feb 14 10:01:56 1995
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The issue of gender and authorship intrigues me.  Sylvie, how do you factor
in pseudonyms (when female authors adopt male names, or vice versa) and
uncertainty (when a name doesn't fit a "traditional" male or female category,
such as, for example (for me), "Tanith", or when initials obscure an identity,
such as, picking initials at random, H. Rider Haggard)?

Walter F. Nickeson
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I also have a question about your research.  I think the idea is both 
worthwhile and interesting (and I'll send you a list of my favorites as soon 
as I can make sure I can spell them), but I wonder what kind of 
generalizations you can make about the sf community without identifying some 
kind of population from which your sample comes.  A "hip-pocket" sample 
isn't likely to tell you much about the folks out there you're targeting.

Anyway, good luck on your endeavor.

Bob
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Sylvie:

I don't know how broad/detailed your thesis is to be, but you might
find these thoughts helpful.

Until the recent past, two truisms were widely accepted in SF:

1. Women read/write "soft" SF
2. Men read/write "hard" and "military" SF

This is changing.  Women writers such as S.N. Lewitt and Elizabeth Moon have
written fine military SF, and many women writers went out and read them.
C.J. Cherryh's work blends all subgenres -- she probably warrants a thesis
all by herself.

The same changes are taking place in fantasy.  It used to be the accepted
wisdom that men read sword and sorcery stuff with barbarians and dragons,
and women read "fairy-tale" stuff with unicorns and fairies.  But Marion
Zimmer Bradley's _Sword and Sorceress_ anthologies opened up a forum for
sword and sorcery stories with female protagonists, and the male barbarians
have begun to acquire some sensitive man-of-the-90's attributes. :-)  

So what truisms can we come up with now?  Well, none at all would be nice. :-)
But how about this:

1. Women read\write books with female protagonists
2. Men read\write books with male protagonists

There are exceptions to both rules, of course, especially the first.

Oh, and my 5 favorite writers?
Guy Gavriel Kay
Ellen Kushner
Emma Bull
C.J. Cherryh
Orson Scott Card

Hope this message isn't too incoherent.  I'm writing it after a baaad day
at work.  Good like with your thesis.

Marina Frants
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Hello SF-Lit.  One of my minor accomplishments as the Science Fiction 
Recommending Officer here at the Library of Congress is to include in our 
approval plans (blanket orders) with foreign book delears a line which 
states that they will supply us with a representative sampling of the 
best original SF produced in their countries.  Some of the dealers are 
starting to balk claiming there is no such thing.  I was able to find a 
two-page article on recent Francophone SF in the April 1994 issue of 
LOCUS which I have forwarded to our French approval plan dealer.  
However, I haven't found anything yet on recent original Italian-language 
SF that would accomplish the same purpose.  If you know of any such 
review, please FAX me a copy or send me a cite so I can let our Italian 
approval plan dealer know that there is original SF publishing going on.  
Thanks for your help.  Take care.  EAJ

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Recently Camille (sorry, I've forgotten your last name) asked about

Recently Camille (sorry, I've forgotten your last name) asked for

Recently Camille (sorry, I've forgotten your last name) asked about

Recently Camille (sorry, I've forgotten your last name) asked which
writers of SF and Fantasy the list might suggest for a class.  I'd
like to suggest Gene Wolfe, especially his Book of the New Sun
series.  This is one of the better blendings of SF and Fantasy I've
read, and might be instructive as an example of how difficult
categories can be.  It is also very stylishly written, and was heaped
with honors by other SF writers when it came out.  It's unique, and a
wonderful read.
--Duffy Tweedy
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I'm a male SF lover, and my 5 favorite authors are:
1.  John Varley
2.  Larry Niven
3.  Ursula K. LeGuin
4.  Isaac Asimov
5.  Robert Heinlein (early works only)

Good luck,
Duffy Tweedy
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I have forwarded a few replies that really should be sent to the 
requester (No names, please).  When you are sending information a person 
requested, please try to do so to that person and not the list.  While 
SF-LIT is not overflowing with messages, we should try to keep the list 
clear of postings better sent directly to a single person.  Thank you all 
for you help in this.  

Colleen

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          First an introduction: My name is Winton Matthews.  I am one of  
          the assistant editors of the Dewey Decimal Classification and  
          work at the Library of Congress.  I read both science fiction and 
          fantasy, plus mysteries and some horror.  If you attend the East  
          coast conventions, you will probably find me in the art shows. 
          In answer to the question about which of Emma Bull's books to  
          teach, BONEDANCE is science fiction, while WAR OF THE OAKS is  
          fantasy and the better of the two.  She has also written FINDER,  
          a fantasy set in the Borderlands shared universe.  Her husband,  
          Will Shetterly, has written ELSEWHERE, another Borderlands nover. 
          I think that Poppy Brite is a better horror writer than Nancy  
          Collins.  Poppy's books are in hard back.  LOST SOULS, a World  
          Fantasy nominee, concerns a vampire rock band.  DRAWING BLOOD  
          concerns a comic book artist and his lover in a haunted house.   
          In both books, the main characters are gay teenagers.  There are  
          gay sex scenes in both; therefore, use your judgemnet on whether  
          or not to teach them. 

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          Hi, Sylvie. Re  your questions for  your  PhD research: To answer 
          the last first: I'm a woman, and my five favorite authors are: 
               1. C.J. Cherryh (her sf, not fantasy) 
               2. Sheri S. Tepper 
               3. Isaac Asimov 
               4. Connie Willis 
               5. Now it gets hard� Tim Powers? James Morrow? Terry Bisson? 
          Julian May  of Pliocene Exile and Galactic Milieu? James Tiptree, 
          Jr.? Impossible decision� 
               As  for the authors I read, the list would take a long time. 
          I  *do* generally prefer  sf  to fantasy, but  will  read fantasy 
          under some circumstances; I'll  try  to  avoid sword and sorcery, 
          wizards, the majority of standard fantasy. 
               Best  female  authors?  First   and  foremost,  Cherryh.  As 
          short-story writer,  Connie  Willis probably tied  with  Tiptree. 
          Sheri Tepper is naear the top of the list also as novelist. 
               Hope this is helpful. If I think of anything to add, will do 
          so. Pleae let  us know how  your work goes, and  what conclusions 
          you reach. This is interesting� 
               Chris Callahan                                               

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Hello everyone...I'm fairly new to this listserv and so I hope I understand 
both the technical matters of sending/receiving messages and the protocol of 
doing so.

Like many of us, I am ensconced at an educational institution (a small 
liberal arts college) and make my living (paltry as it currently may be)
teaching.  One of the courses I instruct -- and I consider myself most
fortunate in this regard -- is a seminar in science fiction.

I would be interested in hearing from and then talking directly via e-mail to 
other instructors who teach SF.  In particular, what might be of interest to 
all of us is what books work and with which students, and what 
tactics/tricks/techniques are valuable to get things cooking in the classroom.  
I, for example, have recently switched from trying to teach novels (and there 
are a variety of reasons for this) to teaching an anthology of short stories.  
I would be happy to find out if anyone else has used The Oxford Book of 
Science Fiction Stories (ed. T. Shippey) and with what degree of success.

Lest all this might seem somehow less than scholarly, let me put in a pitch 
for classroom and pedgogical research:  when we teachers of SF discover 
interesting insights into the classroom reception of our genre, we will, of 
course, publish the appropriately erudite papers.

Thanks for your interest...I love reading the messages I get on the listserv 
every morning... keep that e-mail coming. 
    				Richard Collier  ([log in to unmask])

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I think the idea is worth pursuing, but this is not a readership from
which you can make broad generalizations, about SF readers or even
about sf readers on the net.  You'd be better off on Usenet, where,
within the range of sf users connected through the internet, you might
have a reasonably broad sampling.  But you'd still have to keep in mind
that there may be major distinctions in reading habits betweeen readers
who cruise the net, and readers who don't.  AT the minimum, you are dealing
with a higher level of comfort with technology.

Camille
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Duffy Tweed--the  BOOK OF THE NEW SUN is a really incredible piece of
writing, but aside from being tough going for man people, it is
five books long.  Unfortunately, I can't spend more than one book on
an author, and that book should actually end at the end.  This leaves
out some of my favorites, like CYTEEN and FADED SUN TRILOGY by CJ Cherryh,
as well as the Wolfe.  But, I'd like suggestions for single volume works
that might work from these authors.  Personally, I have always loved
Wolfe's PEACE, but I've never been clear what genre it is, or even if
it is genre.  And I'm thinking of FOREIGNER of Cherryh's, but I'm not
sure students who hadn't read her before would understand it.
Any ideas?

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Duffy Tweed--the  BOOK OF THE NEW SUN is a really incredible piece of
writing, but aside from being tough going for man people, it is
five books long.  Unfortunately, I can't spend more than one book on
an author, and that book should actually end at the end.  This leaves
out some of my favorites, like CYTEEN and FADED SUN TRILOGY by CJ Cherryh,
as well as the Wolfe.  But, I'd like suggestions for single volume works
that might work from these authors.  Personally, I have always loved
Wolfe's PEACE, but I've never been clear what genre it is, or even if
it is genre.  And I'm thinking of FOREIGNER of Cherryh's, but I'm not
sure students who hadn't read her before would understand it.
Any ideas?
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	Okay, Camille called me to the carpet on my last message asking you to 
post to the sender; I was a bit vague.  If a person asks for book 
recommendations, that is fine to post to the list as others teaching and 
researching may have an interest.  In the case of Sylvie's request (which 
was an appropriate one), please send your replies of your top five books 
to her directly.  To make this information useful, it would have to be 
compiled and since she is doing a dissertation (which hopefully will be 
published someday :-)), she is the one who needs the data.  
	I admit I could be judging this one wrong, but I think most of us 
would prefer to not see everyone's list of titles and I am fairly sure 
Sylvie would prefer to recieve the information directly.  If I get enough 
feedback to the opposite, I will revise my status.  

Colleen

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Winton--thanks for the ideas about horror.  Has anybody else here
read Poppy Brite?  She's on Abyss, I think.  I kind of liked WAR OF
THE OAKS better than BONEDANCE myself, but I'm always open to discussion.


Camille

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Winton--thanks for the ideas about horror.  Has anybody else here
read Poppy Brite?  She's on Abyss, I think.  I kind of liked WAR OF
THE OAKS better than BONEDANCE myself, but I'm always open to discussion.


Camille
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     Marina,
            As a man person, I find your truisms rather pointless. 
     I read all of the above - hard, soft, female and male 
     protagonists. the criteria depends on the quality of writing.
     
            Some of my favourites are DICK, ALDISS, LEGUIN, CHERRYH, 
     BALLARD, NORTON and SILVERBERG.
     
            I sent my intro some time ago (weeks?). It never appeared 
     and I didn't keep a copy. Maybe Colleen could dig it out as 
     being on the lazy side, I try that before writing another.
     
                          Dennis Abblitt. 
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       As a long time subscriber to a number of net groups, I find 
nothing more disconcerting than discussions of the net.

       Direct answers to direct questions asked from one person to 
another are legitimate. Other than that, a discussion, debate or 
gathering of information can only suffer from lack of input or be 
enriched by the gathering of many and various minds. Besides, its 
boring to read questions and no answers.

                   DENNIS (ABBLITT).

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       As a long time subscriber to a number of net groups, I find 
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       Direct answers to direct questions asked from one person to 
another are legitimate. Other than that, a discussion, debate or 
gathering of information can only suffer from lack of input or be 
enriched by the gathering of many and various minds. Besides, its 
boring to read questions and no answers.

                   DENNIS (ABBLITT).

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Sylvie, I'm amazed at the number of people on this list who think Cherryh
is the best in her field.  I thought it was a particular quirk of my own!

I love LeGuin, of course, and Lois McMaster Bujold, who may be a guilty
pleasure, but I have every one of her books.  And Pat Murphy--does anyone
know what she is doing these days?  FALLING WOMAN was a wonderful book,
and the CITY, NOT LONG AFTER is one of my favorite parables about art and
artists..  AFter that, it depends on the books--early Zelazny, Stan Robinson's
CALIFORNIA trilogy.  Oh, Peter Beagle, of course, and John Crowley--umm,
like the lady said, can't really stop at five.   Camille

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Richard--I'm teaching sf this summer, and have taught it once a year or
so since 1987.  I mostly teach novels, and I'd like to know the advantages
you see in the short story collection.

A problem I have with story collections in general is that I like to
keep updating for new developments/authors in the field, and I like
to teach certain authors in particular, and you don't often get all you
want to teach in one anthology.  So, the students have to buy a bunch of
them, only to read a few things from each.  Many of the students who
are not fans resent the outlay of money for books they feel are a waste
if they read only one or two stories.   Camille
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Colleen, I do have to disagree that replies should go to Sylvie and
not to the list.  Sylvie is on the list.  The replies will go to her.
But this is going to be a very boring list if all we get to see are
people's questions, with the answers going privately to them.  I joined
up to see some discussion among specialists in the field about what is
good, what we recommend for others to try, and why.  Also, teaching
strategies, collection strategies, preservation strategies, and ideas
about what are considered important secondary sources in the field.  And
discussion of research, as Sylvie offered.
So far I've seen little in the way of discussion, and I am wondering
what others envision this list to be?  Camille

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Colleen, I do have to disagree that replies should go to Sylvie and
not to the list.  Sylvie is on the list.  The replies will go to her.
But this is going to be a very boring list if all we get to see are
people's questions, with the answers going privately to them.  I joined
up to see some discussion among specialists in the field about what is
good, what we recommend for others to try, and why.  Also, teaching
strategies, collection strategies, preservation strategies, and ideas
about what are considered important secondary sources in the field.  And
discussion of research, as Sylvie offered.
So far I've seen little in the way of discussion, and I am wondering
what others envision this list to be?  Camille

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Throwing my personal opinion into the discussion I have to say
that I find it useful to read the variety of choices of sf 
reading interests of the members of sf-lit.  A number of the 
other moderated or semi-moderated lists I subscribe to often
find some of the subscribers discussing where they will have 
lunch when going to a convention - I know that can be useful
to some but I think a bit too far those "professional" lists.

There are many decisions to be made by the moderator but I am 
interested in seeing many of the answers to the s.f. questions
submitted to sf-lit.  


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I would like to second the recommendation of the recent Oxford 
anthology.  I haven't taught with it, but I suspect it would be a very 
good basic resouce for teachers.  It presents a good (in my opinion) 
selection of SF stories in chronological order from the beginings of the 
genre to the present day.  Of course you would want to supplement the 
selection  -- but just reading the table of contents gives an 
intro to the history of the genre. So if you haven't looked at it, do.

Stephanie 
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Colleen,

I'm afraid that I tend to agree with Camile.  At least until more
discussions begin appearing on the lit-list, then maybe a reassessment is in
order.  I'm on another list (Libsup.l) and get anywhere from a few messages
to over 25 a day.  Our list of 6-10 messages a day keeps the interest up and
I can certainly browse through 6 messages.  It would be nice if someone out
there could begin a discussion enticing enough for more folks to jump in,
but until then, anything not directly personal, I sure don't mind
"listening" in on.  Might give others of us food for thought too.
                                                      Julie  :-)
In message Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:25:07 -0500,
  Colleen Stumbaugh <[log in to unmask]>  writes:

> 	Okay, Camille called me to the carpet on my last message asking you to
> post to the sender; I was a bit vague.  If a person asks for book
> recommendations, that is fine to post to the list as others teaching and
> researching may have an interest.  In the case of Sylvie's request (which
> was an appropriate one), please send your replies of your top five books
> to her directly.  To make this information useful, it would have to be
> compiled and since she is doing a dissertation (which hopefully will be
> published someday :-)), she is the one who needs the data.
> 	I admit I could be judging this one wrong, but I think most of us
> would prefer to not see everyone's list of titles and I am fairly sure
> Sylvie would prefer to recieve the information directly.  If I get enough
> feedback to the opposite, I will revise my status.
>
> Colleen
>
> Colleen Stumbaugh, SF-LIT Moderator and Co-owner
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	hi,
	 i'm just an interested scifi reader.  as to the value of the
postings, i was rather interested in the lists.  i thought it wonderful to
know other people's interests.
	although i must say that i seem to be in the minority in not liking
c.j. cherryth "s works.
		thats just my two cents.
				-kate...:)

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Colleen,

I'm afraid that I tend to agree with Camile.  At least until more
discussions begin appearing on the lit-list, then maybe a reassessment is in
order.  I'm on another list (Libsup.l) and get anywhere from a few messages
to over 25 a day.  Our list of 6-10 messages a day keeps the interest up and
I can certainly browse through 6 messages.  It would be nice if someone out
there could begin a discussion enticing enough for more folks to jump in,
but until then, anything not directly personal, I sure don't mind
"listening" in on.  Might give others of us food for thought too.
                                                      Julie  :-)
In message Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:25:07 -0500,
  Colleen Stumbaugh <[log in to unmask]>  writes:

> 	Okay, Camille called me to the carpet on my last message asking you to
> post to the sender; I was a bit vague.  If a person asks for book
> recommendations, that is fine to post to the list as others teaching and
> researching may have an interest.  In the case of Sylvie's request (which
> was an appropriate one), please send your replies of your top five books
> to her directly.  To make this information useful, it would have to be
> compiled and since she is doing a dissertation (which hopefully will be
> published someday :-)), she is the one who needs the data.
> 	I admit I could be judging this one wrong, but I think most of us
> would prefer to not see everyone's list of titles and I am fairly sure
> Sylvie would prefer to recieve the information directly.  If I get enough
> feedback to the opposite, I will revise my status.
>
> Colleen
>
> Colleen Stumbaugh, SF-LIT Moderator and Co-owner
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	hi,
	 i'm just an interested scifi reader.  as to the value of the
postings, i was rather interested in the lists.  i thought it wonderful to
know other people's interests.
	although i must say that i seem to be in the minority in not liking
c.j. cherryth "s works.
		thats just my two cents.
				-kate...:)
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I've been lurking on this list, waiting to see whether it will be 
useful for me.  The jury is still out.

I'm a professional librarian, but work in a branch library.  I have no 
particular system responsibility for ordering SF.  I do write the 
stuff, apprentice level, and am in two writers groups, one SF.  Current 
projects are several short stories in various stages of revision, two of 
which I hope to be the basis for a novel.  I don't spend enough time on 
writing - one down side of having a perfectly good day job.

Nowadays my favorite writers are those I feel I can learn from - 
perhaps the author's style, or his/her setting, technique, characterization, 
plotting, etc. etc.  Currently these are (in no particular order):
Ursula K. Le Guin, William Gibson, R.A. (Roberta) MacAvoy, and Patricia 
McKillip.


Cheers,   Fran

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Hi...I understand Collen Stumbaugh's concern about jamming/spamming up the 
listserv...however, I don't feel overwhelmed by messages (yet) and in the case 
of the request for lists of books that Berard Sylvie made, well, I like to 
hear what other people are reading, who their favourite authors are, and often 
why...this helps me make decisions about what authors to read or to include in 
my course...her need for info for her dissertation seems to be to be 
subordinate to the general value/interest of the ideas she might get for those 
of us who subscribe to this network.

Well, given that apologia, let me tread in where perhaps I ought not to and 
list my five favorite female authors (given that I am of the male persuasion 
myself):

			Tiptree/Sheldon (incredible stuff, esp. "The
					Screwfly Solution")
			Yarbro ("Dead in Irons" is one of the most
				disturbing stories I've read)
			Willis (for her edge of bitter satire, esp.
				"All My Darling Daughters")
			Suzette Haden Elgin (not a very well-known
				author, but amazingly accomplished:
				check out her novel Native Tongue,
				which sadly is now out of print)
			LeGuin (esp. "The Word for the World is
				Forest")


Also highly recommended:  Vonda N. McIntyre, Pamela Zoline ("Heat Death of the 
Universe", Kate Wukgekn, and Joan D. Vinge.  I also think Theodore Sturgeon 
should be made an honorary female author for his novel Venus Plus X -- an 
incredibly advanced socio-political piece of work for its time.

Hope this helps; I'd be interested in reactions.

richard
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> Marina,
>            As a man person, I find your truisms rather pointless.
>     I read all of the above - hard, soft, female and male
>     protagonists. the criteria depends on the quality of writing.

Well, you might find them pointless, but they're a lifesaver for guys who
do the programming for conventions. ("We're short a panel, let's throw
in another one on women in F&SF") ;-)  As I said before, any generalization
about the SF readership is likely to have many exceptions.  Also, readers
who subscribe to a list like SF-LIT are the ones most likely to be exceptions.

Unfortunately, based on my experience, many readers' criteria has nothing
to do with the quality of writing.  Don't get me started on Robert Jordan
or Terry Brooks...

Marina Frants
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I've been lurking on this list, waiting to see whether it will be 
useful for me.  The jury is still out.

I'm a professional librarian, but work in a branch library.  I have no 
particular system responsibility for ordering SF.  I do write the 
stuff, apprentice level, and am in two writers groups, one SF.  Current 
projects are several short stories in various stages of revision, two of 
which I hope to be the basis for a novel.  I don't spend enough time on 
writing - one down side of having a perfectly good day job.

Nowadays my favorite writers are those I feel I can learn from - 
perhaps the author's style, or his/her setting, technique, characterization, 
plotting, etc. etc.  Currently these are (in no particular order):
Ursula K. Le Guin, William Gibson, R.A. (Roberta) MacAvoy, and Patricia 
McKillip.


Cheers,   Fran

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Hi...I understand Collen Stumbaugh's concern about jamming/spamming up the 
listserv...however, I don't feel overwhelmed by messages (yet) and in the case 
of the request for lists of books that Berard Sylvie made, well, I like to 
hear what other people are reading, who their favourite authors are, and often 
why...this helps me make decisions about what authors to read or to include in 
my course...her need for info for her dissertation seems to be to be 
subordinate to the general value/interest of the ideas she might get for those 
of us who subscribe to this network.

Well, given that apologia, let me tread in where perhaps I ought not to and 
list my five favorite female authors (given that I am of the male persuasion 
myself):

			Tiptree/Sheldon (incredible stuff, esp. "The
					Screwfly Solution")
			Yarbro ("Dead in Irons" is one of the most
				disturbing stories I've read)
			Willis (for her edge of bitter satire, esp.
				"All My Darling Daughters")
			Suzette Haden Elgin (not a very well-known
				author, but amazingly accomplished:
				check out her novel Native Tongue,
				which sadly is now out of print)
			LeGuin (esp. "The Word for the World is
				Forest")


Also highly recommended:  Vonda N. McIntyre, Pamela Zoline ("Heat Death of the 
Universe", Kate Wukgekn, and Joan D. Vinge.  I also think Theodore Sturgeon 
should be made an honorary female author for his novel Venus Plus X -- an 
incredibly advanced socio-political piece of work for its time.

Hope this helps; I'd be interested in reactions.

richard
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> Marina,
>            As a man person, I find your truisms rather pointless.
>     I read all of the above - hard, soft, female and male
>     protagonists. the criteria depends on the quality of writing.

Well, you might find them pointless, but they're a lifesaver for guys who
do the programming for conventions. ("We're short a panel, let's throw
in another one on women in F&SF") ;-)  As I said before, any generalization
about the SF readership is likely to have many exceptions.  Also, readers
who subscribe to a list like SF-LIT are the ones most likely to be exceptions.

Unfortunately, based on my experience, many readers' criteria has nothing
to do with the quality of writing.  Don't get me started on Robert Jordan
or Terry Brooks...

Marina Frants
[log in to unmask]

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While I had assumed that personal favorites should be sent to the individual 
requester, I've found myself rather caught by what came through BB (before 
the ban).  One omission from the preference lists that I wonder about: No 
female person (males were forbidden to list male authors) listed the short 
stories of Harlan Ellison.  Although he has been out of sf for some time 
(until his recent OMNI story), I think he is the among the best WRITERS in 
the genre.  The terseness of his style make me think of Hemmingway.  What do 
some of you think?
Robert Thompson
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          Robert  Thompson  brought  up  an  interesting  point  about  the 
          favorite-authors list--Harlan Ellison, whom  he considers one  of 
          the  best writers in  the genre, wasn't mentioned. I  wonder  how 
          many  people  would  have mentioned Ellison  if  he'd  been  more 
          visible *lately*. Personally I'd put him in the top  10 maybe but 
          not  top  5.  It might be  the Hemingway influence (I never could 
          stand Hemingway), but more likely I think I'd rate him lower than 
          the top 5 because of his intensity. Yes, he's a very fine writer, 
          but more than 2 stories in  a  row can leave me wrung out� As  an 
          editor he's also excellent (will LDV  *ever* become reality?) His 
          screenplay based on  I, Robot  is  now available, and  I'm really 
          looking forward  to  reading  that.  The combination of  Asimov's 
          logic  and Ellison's intensity should be fascinating� Question at 
          a slant: how many men would have included Ellison if the original 
          question had allowed men  to list male writers? How much a factor 
          is the fact that he's been relatively invisible lately? 
               Speaking of the breakdown by gender in the questions, here's 
          something Sylvie and possibly other thesis-planners might want to 
          consider: allowing for  the  fact  that  doing  all  this  online 
          selects  for  a  definite sub-group of  readers  anyway,  do  the 
          stereotypes about author or  genre preference perhaps apply  more 
          to  one agegroup than another? Whether surveying an  online group 
          or someother sample, would a differenceshow up according to  age? 
          (current age? age when started reading sf?) Just a thought. 
               As  for  the question of answering individuals as opposed to 
          posting--I've been enjoying reading the responses to  Camille and 
          Sylvie. As long  as responses have substance to them, seeing them 
          posted is fine with me. 
               Chris Callahan                                               

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I love Harlan Ellison, and he hasn't been out of the sf-fantasy-horror
loop, he's been publishing in some small press elite editions, mostly
it seems because the work is too short for most mass media books, too
long for most short story anthologies, he's above general anthos these
days, and he doesn't seem to have enough for a mega-book yet.  At least,
that was my impression of a year or so ago.

For what it's worth, my all time favorite of his is "I have no mouth
but I must scream" with "A boy and his dog" a demented also ran.
Camille

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          Robert  Thompson  brought  up  an  interesting  point  about  the 
          favorite-authors list--Harlan Ellison, whom  he considers one  of 
          the  best writers in  the genre, wasn't mentioned. I  wonder  how 
          many  people  would  have mentioned Ellison  if  he'd  been  more 
          visible *lately*. Personally I'd put him in the top  10 maybe but 
          not  top  5.  It might be  the Hemingway influence (I never could 
          stand Hemingway), but more likely I think I'd rate him lower than 
          the top 5 because of his intensity. Yes, he's a very fine writer, 
          but more than 2 stories in  a  row can leave me wrung out� As  an 
          editor he's also excellent (will LDV  *ever* become reality?) His 
          screenplay based on  I, Robot  is  now available, and  I'm really 
          looking forward  to  reading  that.  The combination of  Asimov's 
          logic  and Ellison's intensity should be fascinating� Question at 
          a slant: how many men would have included Ellison if the original 
          question had allowed men  to list male writers? How much a factor 
          is the fact that he's been relatively invisible lately? 
               Speaking of the breakdown by gender in the questions, here's 
          something Sylvie and possibly other thesis-planners might want to 
          consider: allowing for  the  fact  that  doing  all  this  online 
          selects  for  a  definite sub-group of  readers  anyway,  do  the 
          stereotypes about author or  genre preference perhaps apply  more 
          to  one agegroup than another? Whether surveying an  online group 
          or someother sample, would a differenceshow up according to  age? 
          (current age? age when started reading sf?) Just a thought. 
               As  for  the question of answering individuals as opposed to 
          posting--I've been enjoying reading the responses to  Camille and 
          Sylvie. As long  as responses have substance to them, seeing them 
          posted is fine with me. 
               Chris Callahan                                               


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          Robert  Thompson  brought  up  an  interesting  point  about  the=
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               Chris Callahan                                              =
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Chris Callahan  said
 > something Sylvie and possibly other thesis-planners might want to
> consider: allowing for  the  fact  that  doing  all  this  online
> selects  for  a  definite sub-group of  readers  anyway,  do  the
>stereotypes about author or  genre preference perhaps apply  more
> to  one agegroup than another? Whether surveying an  online group
>or someother sample, would a difference show up according to  age?
>(current age? age when started reading sf?) Just a thought.
>As  for  the question of answering individuals as opposed to
>posting--I've been enjoying reading the responses to  Camille and
>Sylvie. As long  as responses have substance to them, seeing them
>posted is fine with me.
               Chris Callahan
Chris,
   It was to assist Sylvie in countering this problem that I offered to
collect
data for her at my fan organizations. They too will be sub-groups albeit 
different ones. [ The groups are literary group, a Filk group and a Trek
group, 
but most members are general fans as well].Perhaps we could ask Sylvie to
post her tabulations.
   Researchers should consider an arrangement with a public library
cirulation
desk to have them pass out questionaires.      Gary
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On Mon, 20 Feb 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote:

> Chris,
>    It was to assist Sylvie in countering this problem that I offered to
> collect
> data for her at my fan organizations. They too will be sub-groups albeit 
> different ones. [ The groups are literary group, a Filk group and a Trek
> group, 
> but most members are general fans as well].Perhaps we could ask Sylvie to
> post her tabulations.
>    Researchers should consider an arrangement with a public library
> cirulation
> desk to have them pass out questionaires.      Gary

Hi,

Thank you everybody for helping me in my research. 

What I haven't told you about my survey is that I'll  ask the same questions
to Quebec readers and to the francophone fandom (library, bookstores, e-mail, 
etc.). I am aware that there are not only gendered differences. Chris 
asked if there could be a difference according to age
"(current age? age when started reading sf?)"... I cannot give a 
scientific answer because it is not the objective of my research, but I 
can say there is a cleavage between franco- and anglo- readers. Not only 
many recent and quite popular books are not always translated (speaking 
for the French side, but isn't it the same thing in English?), but when they 
are translated they don't necessarily get the same reception (R. Jordan 
is a good example). When I thought of this partly-scientific way to 
seize the reading habits of SF, among other things my aim was to judge 
the representativity of my F-SF corpus which is constituted of franco- 
and anglo- fictions.

Sylvie Berard
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On Mon, 20 Feb 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote:

> Chris,
>    It was to assist Sylvie in countering this problem that I offered to
> collect
> data for her at my fan organizations. They too will be sub-groups albeit 
> different ones. [ The groups are literary group, a Filk group and a Trek
> group, 
> but most members are general fans as well].Perhaps we could ask Sylvie to
> post her tabulations.
>    Researchers should consider an arrangement with a public library
> cirulation
> desk to have them pass out questionaires.      Gary

Hi,

Thank you everybody for helping me in my research. 

What I haven't told you about my survey is that I'll  ask the same questions
to Quebec readers and to the francophone fandom (library, bookstores, e-mail, 
etc.). I am aware that there are not only gendered differences. Chris 
asked if there could be a difference according to age
"(current age? age when started reading sf?)"... I cannot give a 
scientific answer because it is not the objective of my research, but I 
can say there is a cleavage between franco- and anglo- readers. Not only 
many recent and quite popular books are not always translated (speaking 
for the French side, but isn't it the same thing in English?), but when they 
are translated they don't necessarily get the same reception (R. Jordan 
is a good example). When I thought of this partly-scientific way to 
seize the reading habits of SF, among other things my aim was to judge 
the representativity of my F-SF corpus which is constituted of franco- 
and anglo- fictions.

Sylvie Berard
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	At long last my computer is fixed, and the software slowly being 
added, so I again can forward your SF-LIT messages from home.  Again, I 
am sorry if anyone was annoyed/bothered by this delay in posting messages 
and I *hope* it will not happen again soon.  
	Several people have sent requests to me to have their addresses 
changed and I have now mastered this process.  If your address should be 
altered and you have trouble with the LISTPROC command, please feel free 
to send me (at [log in to unmask]) mail and I will make the change.

Colleen

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   So, let's see a show of hands.  How many of you have read John 
Myers Myers?  I really enjoyed Silverlock and its sequel, 
The Moon's Fire-Eating Daughter.  Myers is simply a wonderful author 
and well worth the search for a copy of one his fantastical journeys 
through literature. 



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On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Tina A. LaMarch wrote:

>    So, let's see a show of hands.  How many of you have read John 
> Myers Myers? 
I've read and enjoyed Silverlock; was disappointed with The Moon's 
Fire-Eating Daughter.

Dan Goodman [log in to unmask]

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It's been years since I've read Silverlock. But it is an entertaining 
book.  I have not read the sequel. 

It's been about ten years since my sf-fantasy was ALL out
of boxes. I'm planning to go through and see what I'm missing. 

Maybe in the next year I can get everything listed on a computer.
(Of course - twenty years ago I wanted to do that on an Apple.)

My city's Public Libary went online last year - so now I can
take lists of new books coming out (from B. Dalton's, Waldenbooks)
and reserve the ones already on order. Then I know which ones
I like! So those I buy!

Nannette Bedrosky
Health Sciences Librarian
Omaha Ne

>
>    So, let's see a show of hands.  How many of you have read John 
> Myers Myers?  I really enjoyed Silverlock and its sequel, 
> The Moon's Fire-Eating Daughter.  Myers is simply a wonderful author 
> and well worth the search for a copy of one his fantastical journeys 
> through literature. 
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: Myers

Tina A. LaMarch <[log in to unmask]> wrote

>   So, let's see a show of hands.  How many of you have read John 
>Myers Myers?  I really enjoyed Silverlock and its sequel, 
>The Moon's Fire-Eating Daughter.  Myers is simply a wonderful >author 
   I read a number of Myers novels. I agree with you. In the same vein
you might try A. Merrit's "The Moon Pool" and "Ship of Ishtar."
                            Gary
       Gary L. Swaty

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