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FEDLIB January 1998

Subject:

Re: Meeting with President of Elsevier (fwd) -Forwarded

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"Earnest, Kathy L., Ms., USASCAF" <[log in to unmask]>

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FEDLIB: Federal Librarians Discussion List

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Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:53:52 -0500

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FYI

> ----------
> From:         Susan M Tarr[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent:         Tuesday, January 06, 1998 10:49 AM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list FEDLIB
> Subject:      FW: Meeting with President of Elsevier (fwd) -Forwarded
>
> More insight on the Elsevier pricing issue.    -Susan
>
> Susan M. Tarr, Executive Director
> Federal Library and Information Center Committee
> Library of Congress
> 101 Independence Ave. SE
> Washington, DC  20540-4935
> 202-707-4800; [log in to unmask]
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> -0500
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> From: "Grefsheim, Suzanne" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "'Susan M. Tarr'" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: FW: Meeting with President of Elsevier (fwd)
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:30:44 -0500
> X-Priority: 3
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>
> This is the ARL information to which I referred in my earlier message.
>
> ----------
> From:   Ann Okerson[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent:   Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:34 AM
> To:     [log in to unmask]
> Subject:        Meeting with President of Elsevier (fwd)
>
> Emily Mobley, the University Librarian at Purdue University, has
> made this available for sharing with liblicense-l.  The message has
> been shared with other lists as well.
>
> This matter has been reported in the press, perhaps most visibly in
> the New York Times on December 29th.
>
> Ann Okerson
> ____________
>
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:25:24 -0500 (EST)
> From: Emily Mobley <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Meeting with President of Elsevier
>
>
> TO:  ARL Directors
>
> I thought you might be interested in a report on a meeting
> which was held at Purdue University two weeks ago with
> Russell White, President of Elsevier, at our invitation.
> Mr. White met separately with our President and Executive
> Vice President of Academic Affairs, and with 14 members of
> the faculty as a group.  The genesis of this meeting was a
> report by a faculty committee which recommended that
> university administrators at the highest levels should meet
> with like representatives from the publishing industry to
> express the University s concern about continually
> escalating serials pricing and the effect such actions were
> having on scholarly communications.  This recommendation was
> one of several, including one to immediately cancel $600,000
> in serials.  We chose to concentrate on Elsevier because in
> the last academic year 27% of Purdue s total serials dollars
> went to this one publisher and in the last six years, our
> Elsevier expenditures increased by 151%.
>
> Mr. White presented the same proposal to all parties
> including me.  This was the  standard  proposal   access to
> the electronic versions of all of their titles for 7.5% over
> print costs in the first year; 9% increase in each of the
> next two years with a no cancellation clause; and 10%
> discount for electronic version in lieu of a print
> subscription.  He stressed the value of this proposal
> because we would have access to titles we didn t  currently
> have (more information for the same price, in his terms) and
> we would avoid the high increases caused by dollar
> devaluation.  He stressed that Elsevier was taking  a risk
> on currency exchange.  He talked a lot about the Ohiolink
> contract and by virtue of his conversation seemed to suggest
> that this was the model of choice for all.
>
> I was not, by choice, in the meeting with the President and
> Executive Vice President, but I understand the message he
> was given was not much different from that which he
> received from the faculty, a meeting that I facilitated.  The
> faculty gave him the following points to consider:
>
>    The symbiotic relationship which faculty have had with
>           commercial publishers is breaking down due to the
>           pricing policies of publishers.
>
>    Commercial publishers seem to have forgotten that they
>           do not produce the content which is sold and the
>           content producers can choose to go elsewhere.
>
>    Having access to more information (more titles) is not
>           that important because if those titles were
>           important to us in the first place we would be
>           subscribing to the print version (note: our
>           interlibrary loan records bear this out).
>
>    It is critical that electronic serials be linked at the
>           article level to indexing sources, particularly
>           Current Contents or Web of Science, INSPEC,
>           COMPENDEX, MEDLINE, and Biological Abstracts; an
>           index which Elsevier is developing is not
>           important and a waste of resources.
>
>    The issue of currency exchange, particularly in the
>           case of the dollar and the guilder is a  crock.
>           (One faculty member read him the value of the
>           guilder over a seven year period and noted the
>           years when there should have been a negative
>           increase.  It came out during this discussion that
>           in essence the dollar was being used to stabilize
>           the prices for all currencies meaning U.S.
>           subscribers were paying for all currency
>           devaluations.)
>
>    Prices of titles are unnecessarily high.  (One faculty
>           member who is an editor of a society journal which
>           is priced at $230 without page charges questioned
>           why a similar journal covering the same discipline
>           with a similar number of annual pages would cost
>           four times more.)
>
>    Elsevier s experience with Ohiolink is but one model
>           and each state has a different culture or
>           tradition in university support, so what worked in
>           Ohio will not work in Indiana.
>
>    To guarantee a 9% annual price increase means that cuts
>           must take place elsewhere because this amount
>           exceeds general inflation, the amount that the
>           University would likely receive from the state.
>           The faculty as a group stated that they would
>           neither ask nor support a request that such an
>           increase be given priority over other needs in the
>           University.  However, a proposal which had a 3%
>           guarantee would be given serious consideration.
>           (The faculty had heard rumors that some Ohio
>           libraries were having to cancel other publications
>           in order to meet the mandated Elsevier increase.)
>
>    The next time serials were cut, it would be Elsevier
>           titles because publications from
>           scholarly/scientific society publishers would be
>           protected.
>
> After this meeting, my Associate Dean who is responsible for
> collections, and I met with him.  I reiterated the points,
> which I m pleased to say, were consistent at all levels of
> responsibility in the University.  I did receive a
> letter from him in which he sated that Elsevier would be
> working with ISI to provide article level linking and that
> he was preparing a proposal for me which takes into account
> the information he learned here.  We ll see!  One other
> interesting point was made   that there s no reason why
> additional print subscriptions for the same title needed to
> be priced at the same rate as the first copy and he would
> look into better pricing.  Purdue, even after a $600,000
> serials cancellation, still subscribes to over 30 duplicate
> Elsevier titles.
>
> I m sorry this was so lengthy, but I hope it was of
> interest.
>
> Emily R. Mobley
> Purdue University
>

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