We will be discussing the role of observers at the JAC meeting in
February. The standard says in Annex A that any of the rules specified
there that the JAC wishes to change have to be voted on following the same
voting procedure as is used for the codes. As I said there have been more
than 5 observers designated already. In any case, all substantive
discussion on the languages and codes themselves will take place on the
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I am well aware of Randall Barry's involvement in ISO, since his office is
next to mine. We are very busy in this office and cannot afford to have
more than one of us actively involved in this effort, although I have
consulted with him and kept him informed when necessary.


On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, John Clews wrote:

> Dear Rebecca
> Thanks for your answer on ISO 639 JAC membership, on Monday, 31
> January 2000, although this still leaves some questions unanswered on
> Observers in the ISO 639 JAC, which I deal with in my final
> paragraphs.
> You wrote:
>         As I said before, official members of the JAC are 3
>         representatives from TC37 and 3 from TC46 plus the rotating
>         chairs. Up to 5 observers may be appointed. I have listed 4
>         below in my email from Dec. 10. We have several from TC46
>         that we would also want included, and the standard says up to
>         5 may be appointed.
> You also wrote:
>         Since we have already exceeded the maximum, we will not
>         include any additional ones.
> I have no objection to others being involved. Too little
> participation has been one of the problems formerly. I certainly
> shall not complain if additional observers are present beyond what is
> listed in annexes to ISO WD 639-1 and ISO 639-2.
> One obvious useful one to add would be Randall K. Barry, a member of
> ISO/TC46/SC4, Convenor of ISO/TC46/SC4/WG1 and editor of the ALA-LC
> Transliteration tables.
> I assume that his knowledge on a wide range of languages would be
> useful, and he will be at LC in any case.
> You also wrote:
>         Of course experts on particular issues may be consulted when
>         needed, so this should not be a problem.
> Could you therefore reply specifically on my suggestion (endorsed by
> Haavard, if I remember rightly, some time back) about Ethnologue
> codes: I wrote:
> > In addition, I have received no reply to my earlier email, endorsed
> > by at least one other comment, which suggested that Peter Constable
> > of the Summer Institute of Linguistics be nominated, with regard to
> > the 3-letter codes used in the Ethnologue, which cover some different
> > entities as well as the ISO 639 codes, and also overlap in some
> > codings, and differ in others.
> >
> > In my view it would be extremely useful if he was also able to
> > be at the JAC meeting as an observer.
> I look forward to your reply on this specific point.
> His contact details are:
>        Peter Constable
>        Non-Roman Script Initiative, SIL
>        7500 W. Camp Wisdom Rd., Dallas, TX 75236, USA
>        tel: 1 972 708 7485
>        fax: 1 972 708 7388
>        Email: [log in to unmask]
> I look forward to hearing from you in regard to this, considering
> that the meeting date is rapidly approaching.
> Best regards
> John Clews
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