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On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, [iso-8859-1] Håvard Hjulstad wrote:

> John,
> 
> My notes give the same result as the official document:
> 
> smi = Sami languages (other) [changed from "Sami languages"]
> sme = Northern Sami [new entry]
> se = Northern Sami [corrected from "Sami"]

This is correct.
 
> Any material that is already encoded according to 639-2:1998 will have to be
> changed by splitting "smi" into "smi" and "sme". It is correct that the
> majority of the items that use "the old smi" will need to be changed to "the
> new sme", and a smaller number of items will keep "the new smi". However, in
> the large picture we are talking about very few records, and I would think
> that the errors will be smaller this way. Making the oposite change would
> result in non-Northern Sami records being erroneously encoded as Northern
> Sami. This is more unfortunate than encoding Northern Sami records as Sami
> languages (other), I would think.

This is also true. Perhaps the only existing records with the Sami code 
would be MARC records, but it is not a problem for 2 reasons:

1) smi is a new code for MARC; we previously used "lap" for these
materials and are changing that code
2) if systems do a one to one change of codes in records where "lap" was
used and convert these to "smi", it is true that some northern Sami
records would be coded as Sami languages (Other). But this sort of
situation happens all the time when a specific language that was
previously signed to a collective code is assigned its own code. In these
cases we know that to retrieve everything in that language we may have to
search both the new separate code for that language as well as the former
collective code.

As Havard states above, we are talking about few records, and the errors
would be greater to change Sami to Northern Sami when we know many will be
something other than the more specific Northern Sami.

Rebecca
 
> Best regards,
> Håvard
> 
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Clews [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 11:19 AM
> > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:      Re: Resolutions (Sami codes)
> > 
> > Dear Rebecca
> > 
> > I hope that you and others - particularly Haavard Hjulstad - on the
> > ISO 639 JAC will be able to help me with this one. I have just taken
> > a quick look at the resolutions in detail, and the following stands
> > out to me:
> > 
> > You wrote:
> > 
> > > Attached to this message is a file containing the resolutions from
> > > our ISO 639 JAC meeting on 17-18 Feb. 2000...
> > 
> > 4.3.13.1 and 4.3.13.2 state:
> > 
> > > 13. Sami Languages/Northern Sami
> > >
> > > 1. Alpha-3 codes: change the definition of smi to Sami (other) and
> > >    add sme for Northern Sami
> > >
> > > 2. Alpha-2 codes: change se (already in ISO 639-1) to be Northern
> > >    Sami : Approved without the accent on Sami.
> > 
> > It appears that there is a rationale for doing exactly the same for
> > both existing codes (see the rationale below, which I quote from
> > Haavard Hjulstad) but not for doing one thing for ISO 639-1, and the
> > opposite for ISO 639-2.
> > 
> > In my own meeting notes, I have exactly the opposite listed,
> > particularly for ISO 639-2: if my record is wrong, please correct me,
> > but if it stands as it is,
> > the existing code in ISO 639-1 will represent _only_ Northern Sami, and
> > the existing code in ISO 639-2 will represent _everything_except_
> > Northern Sami.
> > 
> > My meeting notes say:
> > 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Request         Language        ISO 639-1       ISO 639-2
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > se & smi        Northern Sami   Name change *   Name change *
> > > ?? & sme        Sami (other)    New code        New code
> > >
> > > * Previously used (in LC) for "Lapp", and previously (in ISO 639 and
> > >   ISO 639-2) for "Sami languages."
> > >
> > > * Rationale: between 50% and 90% of all Sami publications are for
> > >   Northern Sami. The previous situation was ambiguous, and the
> > >   proposed name change for the existing codes was the solution which
> > >   caused least need for changing earlier code allocations.
> > 
> > I look forward to clarification on this
> > 
> > Best regards
> > 
> > John Clews
> > 
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> > 
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